No Conservatives bothered to turn up to debate our 6 million strong Revoke Article 50 petition 😢😡

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Not a single conservative MP was present when it was debated in Parliament in spite of over 6000000 signatures on the revoke A50 petition. It's clear they don't give a damn about the will of the people.

Any politician that thinks 17 million on a questionable referendum three years ago represents the current will of the people (all 67 million of them in UK) is even more dense then the government we currently have in the UK.

... well ... is as dense as the government we have. Polls show a small but consistent majority against any form of Brexit and yet on we march despite the evident damage.

Well, the will of the people on both sides of Brexit is being wilfully ignored by our elected MPs. We will end up with the worst possible deal and are being sold out by Parliament. Everyone is being ignored. Theresa May is a blithering idiot who should never have been put in charge of negotiations.

Wasn’t ‘revoke A50’ one of the indicative vote options that failed to get a majority, along with all the rest? So it has already been debated and voted upon yup

The Tories where whipped not to attend. Why if it was only a petition, supposedly worthless because Britons overseas could sign, as well as children who will be able to vote within the next ten years? It sounds like someone was a bit rattled.

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A) the government had no intention of debating it

B) foreigners?

C) the petition didn't mention leavers...not everything is about leavers, i know it seems that way at the moment

I signed the petition but tbh I'd gave been annoyed if mps spent too much time debating it . Revoke got chucked out with the indicatives.

Im going to have to check the petition to see if if it mentioned leavers or said it was a leavers petition

I dont think it did though

Exactly lonely

And there have been post after post saying the petition is a snapshot of opinion, loads of people, myself included, saying that it won't make any difference

No one has said that the government should jump to revoke after reading it, just that it should be debated

Like they promised

But it sounds like they can tick that box...

The petition had an impact. It was noticed in the EU and made them think more of UK citizens and it influenced the parliamentary debates this week. The debate on the petition itself was never going to be as well attended or important as the debates on the indicative votes etc, it is right that most MPs spent energy on the debates and votes in the House. To think attendance at the petition debate is what matters is to misunderstand politics and the impact of the petition.

To think attendance at the petition debate is what matters is to misunderstand politics and the impact of the petition

I dont have a problem if there are only a handful of people

I do have a problem if there is not one single person there from two of the largest political parties.

But apparently there were so thats all good

I've had a post script of an idea.

It is altruistic of Leavers to express concern about the six million signatures added to the Revoke petition in ten days.

If they would like to promote signing it too; if it gathered speed again quickly that may cast doubt upon the veracity of the earlier signatures.We would know the later ones were genuine.

( We will reciprocate by boosting the 600k Leave petition before its six months come to an end - promise .)

etc, it is right that most MPs spent energy on the debates and votes in the House.

Agreed- but unfortunately in the debates preceding the indicative votes the Conservative / government side benches were noticeably empty. That sends a poor international ( and domestic) message.

We have all been in staff meetings where you feel you are going through the motions.. but you still go!

The funny thing about the other petition threads lonely

Is that a number of posters said the petition had been gamed

And they could prove that because they had gamed it

Well thanks for boosting the signatures!!

I do think that (as we know Leave signatures are the most genuine) then if they sign it tests the veracity of the signatures.

Also revoke only means the timing isn't right just now -what with the lack of consensus, negative impact on the economy NHS and all. Revoke is perfectly consistent with a planned Brexit stance.

I agree with both your points there lonely

The petition was a bit of a nonsense anyway. All those petition are. There are a way of getting a issue notice with very little political power behind it.

The way you actually get stuff done is far slower. Ukip started in 1993, it took until 2016 to get the sufficient political potency to achieve its goals. But then it took the whole country on a different course.

I find the self satisfied we have the most successful pointless thing so we must be listened to utterly ridiculous. If you want to effect change you need political power which remain just doesn't have.

If it did Theresa Mays Deal wouldn't still be the option with the most votes in parliament.

What does the petition show anyway? Everyone knows that 16 million people voted to remain so the fact that 6 million of them signed a petition is not very remarkable.

It shows that remain are mostly of the computer literate generation who want action now and leavers are more politically minded in there use of the system to effect long term change. Probably the system needs improvement as it is undoubtedly open to abuse, but probably not as much leavers like to think.

The rate it grew was phenomenal whatever way you look at it.

Petitions show for example that:

• 6 million people still care enough in 2019 to sign a petition for revoke (over a 10 day period).

• 600k people still care enough in 2018/19 to sign a petition for Leave (over a six month period).

Marches show that 1 to 1.5 million people care enough to march for a peoples's vote or revoke.

Petitions and marches show that people care enough to do something. Both send an international message that the current government do not speak unanimously for all citizens.

But then you worry/wonder what UKIP would have done if a significant proportion of its members didnt have to ask their grandchildren how to open an attachment or an email

Both send an international message that the current government do not speak unanimously for all citizens.:

I think thats bloody obvious given the closest thing to consensus the country's elected body can get to is a deal theyve voted down three times. You really don't need a petition for that

I repeat my Comments upthread. Why is there so much interest in attempting to minimise the Remain petition overall? It does Leavers no credit and can only suggest fears about levels of their current support.

If there was faith that the merits of Leaving were still substantive and demonstrable why would there be a need to attack or minimise the petition?

What happened to the great British sense of fair play and being gracious and showing magnanimity towards the 'losing team' ?

Why is there so much interest in attempting to minimise the Remain petition overall?

Because there are problems with it. Like why is it more valuable as a representation of public opinion than a one person one vote referendum and when the medium excludes a significant proportion of the population.

Because actually the political powers were trundling through that as an option, were debating it and it lost.

Because leavers are sick an tired of the disparagement of a 24 year political campaign that did cause significant change. But a 6 million petition is a significant political achievement?

No one is saying it is more valuable though. More current? Yes. More valuable? of course not.

If there was faith that the merits of Leaving were still substantive and demonstrable why is there be a need to attack or minimise the six million petition or the one and a half million march?