If it’s ‘No Deal’ next Friday-what will that actually look like?

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Will there be immediate consequences?

What might be affected and when?

Food/petrol supply?
Roads?

Or will there be months of negotiations before anything actually changes?

Chatelaine
Children may have to get used to seasonal grown food & educate thier parents
Do you realise how much of the
fresh fruit and veg
dairy
fish
meat
breads
ready meals
restaurant food
school meals
would vanish if the UK tried to only eat what it grows?

Chatelaine reminds me of a previous poster who said things will be OK because we can use Jif squeezy lemons. Inspirational.

@TheOriginalChatelaine is obviously doing a sterling job making sure we aren't bored.

Or the one who said that if the shops were empty, they would just order online

If no deal goes ahead, everyone will have to get used to eating more seasonal food, more expensive food, wasting less food and hoping that someone sorts out the mess quick sharp.

Seasonal eating would be good in theory for the carbon footprint but not at the expense of children going hungry.

Would rather seasonal eating be because of choice and supporting the environment than crap planning.

I have decided that whenever anyone goes on about the Millennium bug (I was working on it for years) I will go on about when they banned fluids from hand luggage. We flew out of Heathrow the next morning and despite being there when the check in desk opened we had to run for the flight. Not everyone got there in time. If just changing which bag you have to put stuff in causes that much chaos I dread to think what will happen with no deal. I dare say some things we worry about won't happen but there will be plenty of head scratching and oh cripsing going on about stuff people hadn't thought of.

Seasonal eating would be good in theory for the carbon footprint but not at the expense of children going hungry.
The UK has not been self sufficient in food for decades
and the well documented ill health among communities that did not buy imported food is not something we should aim to return to.

It’s longer than just decades isn’t it? I would have thought well over a century.

Seasonal eating would be good in theory for the carbon footprint

In practice given that the U.K. is so far from being self-sufficient, EU imports would be partly replaced by food flown or shipped from the rest of the world (which would become more competitive vs EU imports, because of the cost of disrupting supply chains). I think the assumption that the overall carbon footprint would fall is probably flawed.

Not self sufficient, hence children would go hungry.

We are going to have to get better at using our resources.

It will be back to dig for victory, though more dig to not go hungry or save money. So much for taking back control.

There will be less money around to pay for the more expensive food as well. Going to have to rely on the cheaper stuff, though goodness knows what that will be.

If we’re going for dig for victory, then the government might as well go down the road of introducing price caps on food and rationing as well.

I've had the "dig for victory " argument with a colleague. Attitude was "people will just have to be less lazy and get off their arses and grow their own food" apparently people who live in inner city tower blocks etc will just have to get an allotment🤔

Dig for victory is great and all that. But the population was smaller and they still had to convert playing fields, the moat at the Tower and public gardens into vegetable gardens. And half the civilian population did it.

It simply wouldn't work now.

Not sure how well it would go turning much of the New Forest back into allotments as well,
let alone Kensington Gardens

We've never been able to fully feed ourselves. That's why we used to have periods of famine in the past.

Our local tower blocks have balconies. Whether they are designed to hold the weight of pots is another matter. Added to that is the knowledge, the money to buy pots and compost and seeds....

The low rise flats are worse off with no balconies and outdoor space open to the whole world. The new apartments are the same.

We do have lots of allotments, they are not near the tower blocks though and most of them are taken. So not much good.
Even the houses are not in a good position to grow much as it is a very densly packed urban area, with mainly terraces with small gardens. Even the suburbs have small gardens compared to other cities I have lived in.

Basically we are fucked.

Also, I heard that, without the subsidies from the EU we are doubly fucked as many farms risk going out of business.

But we're all going to eat seasonally and dig for victory and it will be so fab for carbon footprint and obesity levels! Starvation is because people die and then alter statistics. You couldn't make this stupid Brexit shitstorm up if you were Kafka on acid.

Sorry, can't remember who quoted KCC about operation brick, but I live very near there and it isn't going well. There were 4 serious accidents in the first 3 days of it starting, bringing the local roads to a standstill for hours. Not quite the success they would have us believe.