Countryfile

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Trying to avoid throwing something at the TV.

2 sisters who are pig farmers who voted Leave who are now wondering about the potential influx of cheap imports and the lack of ability to sell the cuts the UK market doesn’t want to the EU.

Seriously, how did this not occur to them before the vote?

I was thinking that as well, poor piggies too in those tiny enclosures.

Except those enclosures are bigger than most. She said the worst she saw was America where standards were very low. And who is it we will be trading with in no deal situation?
I could understand her logic but its backfired!

At least it was an example of people genuinely thinking about what leave actually means, instead of the usual 'I voted leave so we must leave regardless of any consequences' narrative.

Those enclosures are enormous compared to what is used elsewhere to produce the cheap pork we will potentially receive in future.

I know they are, still barbaric though. The only way the wine is different by being biodynamic will be the price!

True apile, but without a way of them being able to reverse their vote, it’s too little too late.

I didn't see Countryfile, but those who didn't vote to Leave still have to live with the result of the vote, which these sisters would appear not to have thought through.

They're very typical of such voters, thick as pig . . . well . . .

It was infuriating "We export all our carcass sales to the Eu, most of our trade is with Germany "....so why vote to make that harder?

We export all our carcass sales to the Eu, most of our trade is with Germany "....so why vote to make that harder?

Exactly.

I’m afraid I have zero sympathy with that kind of stupidity.

In fact I’m fucking furious that the stupidity of people like that has put the rest of us in this position.

No doubt a whining Leaver will be on soon to tell us Remainers how hard hearted we are.

I saw this and my jaw dropped at their stupidity, though they aren't the only ones, Dh comes from a farming family, so we know quite a few, most of whom voted Leave. The stupidest ones are the arable farmers who get huge subsidies from ....The EU. .

We also have a neighbours who voted Leave, and are only now starting to worry about how Brexit will affect their ability to freely come and go to their second home in France. Thick the lot of them!

I wonder what people thought leaving the EU actually meant.

I suspect they genuinely thought that they could opt into the bits that they wanted.

Twats.

They seem to think leaving will magically “make GB great again”.

My usually reply is “What, like when children had scurvy and left school at 14?”

It was pathetic to see two obviously intelligent and dynamic women with a prosperous business have no fucking clue about the direct negative consequences for their vote.

Tbh, I think it's a bit unfair to criticise farmers for not understanding (in 2016) how international trade and the single market work.

I'm an economist working for a big manufacturing company and I've learnt a bunch of stuff about trade over the last 3 years.

People who realise they were wrong and admit it shouldn't be the target.

If a substantial part of their trade was already with Germany, you might wonder why they didn't ask how leaving would affect it? Maybe they believed Daniel Hannan 'No one's talking of leaving the Single Market', then if so, they might have some excuse, because few would have envisaged May's version of Brexit.

Yes, but they were fed a line of "nothing will change".

People should be able to trust politicians and actually a lot of older people still do. My mum voted leave (I think) because her superficially trustworthy pro-Brexit MP bothered to pitch up to a meeting in her village and since no other politicians bothered that was the only message she heard.

@Mistigri , I think it extremely fair to criticise a large enterprise that does a considerable amount of international trade - the business shown on Countryfile being one such business.

As Peregrina says, the scope of 'leaving' has changed and everything that has been said by the government down has been subjected to change and lies.
Just thinking of the humble 'E' symbol on your tin of beans represents a huge amount of bureaucracy defining the number of beans you can expect to get in the tin. That will need to be re established as a UK 'standard' and new measures put in place.

It beggars belief how they could have built such a fantastic business and not understood the basics of their industry. It's so sad to see. But sorry, it was bloomin' obvious from day one. Brexiteers have always spoken about cheaper food and lowering trade barriers from external markets. That has been clear all along.

Tbh, I think it's a bit unfair to criticise farmers for not understanding (in 2016) how international trade and the single market work.

I disagree. I made efforts to read and understand about the EU before voting. Why couldn't other people? Especially those like farmers whose livelihoods are so enmeshed with the EU/international trade.

Most remainers didn't really understand this stuff either tbh. I'm a British economist working in France doing research on global commodity markets - and there was a bunch of stuff I've learnt in the last 3 years that I didn't know at the time of the referendum. For eg I certainly wasn't an expert on trade law and although I now know a lot more than I did 3 years ago I'm still nowhere near being an expert.

I can completely understand why people who lacked knowledge about the EU ended up listening to the voices they listened to - in my mum's case, she listened to the one politician who bothered to come to her village to "explain". The TV farmers probably listened to the Tory politicians they voted for and pro brexit leaders in the farming community. I don't think that's surprising at all.