German view on brexit

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This is very interesting.

I think the title should read ‘A German view’ given she represents a far right minority party.

And apologies as I know it’s pedantic. I just don’t want people to see it and it adds to the ‘EU will blink’ rhetoric as they think it’s the mainstream German view.

She's saying the EU should have given Cameron more concessions in 2015, so that the UK wouldn't have wanted to leave. Which completely misses the point that concessions would never have been enough for the UK media and we'd still have had Cameron putting a referendum offer in his manifesto so that it could be chucked out when negotiating a coalition - only he won that election, to his party's horror...

According to UK media, EU gave Cameron precisely no concessions in 2015/16. 10x nothing is still nothing. UK media are incapable of recognising that any concessions were given to Cameron.

Not the German view on Brexit any more than Nigel Farage could be usefully described as the UK view on Brexit. She's head of the AfD - Alternative for Deutschland - which is a right-wing Eurosceptic party. Bit disingenuous not to mention that, OP?
PostNotInHaste not pedantic on your part at all.

The EU actually conceded about three quarters of what Cameron asked for, but some Tories goaded him into the referendum claiming it wasn't enough.
Had he stood firm and told the Tory troublemakers to 'shut it' the UK would have been in a much better place now.

@onalongsabbatical. I didn’t mention it as I didn’t know. I just saw it and thought it was interesting. I am one of those people who did not vote as I do not care if we leave or stay and the way things are I am glad I did not vote as I would probably be angry whatever way I voted right now. I am old enough for it to make no difference to me I am self sufficient and I do not travel. My children voted as it does make a difference to them. It seems that whatever happens now all of our politicians have let us down.

Well can I suggest that as you don't care or know and a lot of people care a lot you don't post stuff that you have no understanding of? Especially as a whole new thread? Did you think it was going to be something innocent? Did you hear/read the heckle from the floor - unsubstantiated nonsense? Did you not think, given the heat around all of this, that it might be a bloody good idea to wonder what the fuck you were posting? No? Seriously?

@onalongsabbatical I knew exactly what I was posting. I just thought it was interesting you obviously didn’t so you shouldn’t have read it. 😁😘

I didn’t mention it as I didn’t know
I knew exactly what I was posting
Thank you for confirming immediately that you're either a liar or a fool.

You didn't know exactly what you were posting as you knew nothing of the motivations behind the MEP.

Or was it your intention to post what essentially amounts to anti EU propaganda?

Sorry people. I knew what I was posting as I had watched/read it and thought it was interesting. I did not know the woman was the head of AFD. If T May or J Corbyn said anything as interesting I probably would have posted that as well. 😁

But user - you haven't answered my questions. You know - unless you've been on mars for three years - how much heat is in this. You watched it. You saw the heckle. You didn't think maybe I should find out a bit about what this is before starting a thread? I mean the very first frame says the chairperson of the AfD. Or did you miss that? Why post stuff you know nothing about when you know how much division there is? I seriously don't get it? What were you trying to do?

@onalongsabbatical. It was only a small heckle and she got a huge round of applause at the end so some of the listeners agreed with what she said. As I said before I thought it was interesting. I have just shown the clip to my daughter who said “ oh it’s her” and told me to google her which I have done. Her party is not one I would vote for if I was German or even voted. I do try to stay away from most things Brexit as because I did not vote I do not consider that I should have an opinion ( I probably should have kept it that way) I found it interesting as I wonder how many other people in Germany think like she does and worry that it is going to end up costing them more if GB leaves because they are a wealthy country in relation to others. 😁

Thank you. It may have been a small heckle but 'unsubstantiated nonsense' shouted at a politician while in a political forum is still pretty powerful. You have reassured me as to your naivety though, as opposed to you having malicious motives. But I'm surprised you thought this was going to land well. I mean it would be literally like going on to a German political chat site (you did post in the Brexit pages) and posting a clip of Farage and saying, look folks, this looks interesting! Can you imagine the reception you'd get? I apologise if I flipped I thought you were being deliberately provocative. I absolutely accept that you weren't.

And yes she was applauded, the populist right is on the rise all over - that's why we all need to be careful what we post and say and think about what we've seen and heard. And of course it'll cost Germany if we leave. It's going to cost all of us. It's a big mistake all round. But mostly it's costing us, here.

I'm tempted to ask you why you don't vote but I can go on and on about this stuff and you're probably reet fed up with me already.
Personally I'm coming round to the idea that voting should be compulsory (waits to be flamed from somewhere or other...).

😁 I actually would have posted it if Nigel F had said it or anyone for that matter. When I do watch anything to do with Brexit it’s all about England Ireland Scotland and Wales. I just assumed all the other EU countries thought we were twats for wanting to leave. It was only when I listened to what she said I wondered if normal German French Italian etc people were really worried about how much this could cost them.
I understand about manufacturing tourism etc but I wonder if people are really worried about taxes etc and how they feel about the possibility of having to pay more because the smaller EU countries can’t afford to.

You assumed 500 million plus people all have exactly the same attitude to Brexit?

The Dutch are really happy to lose £600 per person that could have been spent on schools, roads etc but is being wasted to facilitate the UK buggering about, I don't think. Other countries are paying differing amounts of course, depending on the preparations Brexit is forcing them to make.

{You assumed 500 million plus people all have exactly the same attitude to Brexit?}
If you were referring to me, no but it is interesting that even the European far right groups don't want their countries to exit the EU. They would like to be in control though, which is a dangerous prospect.

No, not you 1tisILeClerc trying to prise the OP out of her naivety.

@onalongsabbatical. Far from fed up with you. I don’t vote I’ve never voted I am not interested in anyone assuming they know what is right for me . When I was younger I tried to find a party that I thought stood for me but they all disappointed me in one way or another. They all talk the talk but none of them actually do what they say. I am sure I will get frowned upon for this but until I checked I didn’t even know what party runs my council. I’ve never had to contact them. I have not pushed my apathy on to my children 2 of them are interested in politics and one of them is not. Because I did not vote and everything about Brexit is so angry I usually avoid it. This woman made me think about the other side of Brexit and how it would affect other countries.

@onalondsabbatical. Are u sure u really want people like me being made to vote? Someone who really doesn’t care if we leave or stay.
I don’t feel like that about everything. I agree with organ donation and would vote for that if it ever happened. I just find everything about politicians false and I won’t vote for anything if I think the person telling me to is a C* 🤐

Are you enjoying the weather?

There has been a recent change about organ donation I believe.

Lots of people don't vote for religious reasons.

No I'm not sure, but I'm considering the possibility of it. It's compulsory in Australia. It might ensure a higher level of intelligent engagement which in its turn would make it less easy for politicians to do exactly what you object to, as they'd be more widely held to account.

Interesting you mention organ donation, one of many things that will be affected by Brexit because of course we get many organs from the EU and they are immensely time-sensitive.