Why do Rees-Mogg and the ERG want no deal so much when it will screw up the country?

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I don't understand why, given the economic damage no deal will cause, they are so keen on it.

Is it purely about free market economics?

Can anyone explain?

How do you think the far right in Germany turned into the Nazi killing machine? It didn't happen overnight, it happened in small steps, in one of the most educated and civilised societies of the world at the time. By a democratically elected government. There are so many echoes in what is happening now. If we crash out of the EU all rights will be at risk as we'll be in a state of emergency. Once gone, they aren't coming back.

There is also the fact that the way the rest of the world reacts to the UK leaving is not determinable. If the relationships between countries stayed stable, you can make a fair prediction of what night happen if one or maybe two things change. There are many parts of the world where conflict may kick off big time. ISIS is supposedly 'defeated'. This is only true to the extent that their last stronghold has been reduced to a wasteland. The leaders and the ideology has simply moved away and will likely reemerge, probably in a different form elsewhere.
Turkey, Syria, Iraq, Iran, N Korea, China, even the USA and many in the EU including the UK with far right ideology on the rise are some of the places that can dramatically shift the 'equilibrium' drastically.
Russian fighter jets close to the UK yesterday? Not an uncommon activity and it is mostly 'sabre rattling' but there is obviously tension in that when they appear, and UK or others are scrambled to observe and deter, if that gets out of hand it could have serious repercussions.
With a UK government barely functioning the UK is very vulnerable at the moment.

Re: employee rights.

I agree completely that it's already happening in the NHS, where a 9-5 Mo-Fri job has morphed into a 24/7, 13.5 hour shifts job in the space of 10 years; where a specialist skills set has been diluted to 'Jack of all trades' (sorry, I meant 'flexible', but paying the lowest banding....), 'office hours' morphed from 0700-2000 to 0530-2300; annual leave was mandated, now it can be bought off you; two degree qualified professionals has become one qualified professional and a HCA; all this initially imposed by the government, now 'enforced' by lowly band 7s ('Well, every one's job is rubbish/ suck it up or resign, we'll backfill from Nigeria").

None of this happened overnight, it was all successive 'tweaks' to 'improve productivity'.

The staff could have fought all this but they've been softened up by Tory austerity to believe these ways of working are just fine, and that the desire for a 'normal hours' job, at 62, is ridiculous.

Does Moggy not realised that his '50 years to fill the benefit' message is going to be a really really hard sell
The man is a caricature from 50 years ago himself, how the fuck is anyone supposed to see this throwback as a visionary looking to the future in 50 years time
He doesn't even belong in the present-day let alone in the future!

Moggy might think he is being devious but he is too easily dismissible as a posh twat and a weirdo

Does Moggy not realise that his '50 years to fill the benefit' message is going to be a really really hard sell

Depends if he keeps being misquoted...

I've just watched an interview clip where he is supposed to have said this.

The clip starts with a question of, "What if you are wrong?" Which indicates that (his version) of the economic benefits of leaving the EU have been cut out.

After the repeated question of, "What if you are wrong?" -
JRM eventually says;

"We won't know the full economic consequences for a very long time."
"The overwhelming opportunity for Brexit is over the next 50 years."

"over the next 50 years" isn't the same as saying it will "take 50 years" - it suggests 50 years of opportunity.

@Clavinova, thank you for doing the fact checking 😊👍
I agree that could be interpreted as 50 years of opportunity, but I would argue that the most people will hear it as 'it will take 50 years'

Unfortunately JRM is not an economist with a view to enhancing the lives of all citizens of the UK and by extension the EU.
He is essentially an 'up market gambler', as he is involved in money trading, with the important aspect that most of it isn't his money.
Like all, particularly those 'promoting' leave, they speak with a forked tongue and when you analyse what they have said, there is a mixture of 'truth' at the beginning, but they rely on people not examining the downsides that can be severe towards the end of their piece, if they actually mention this at all.
Minford saying that base WTO rules so the UK can drop tariffs to zero sounds great, until you discover that UK businesses will fold as they can't possibly compete.

it suggests 50 years of opportunity.

Not quite- it suggest opportunities will be seeded over the next decades and will take up to 50 years to come to fruition, so very very long term.

So far no 'leavers' have managed to say what new businesses to create wealth can be started and how they will be funded. Currently the UK government are burning money like it has gone out of fashion, just to prepare for Brexit and hopefully the UK won't starve. NO indication of how and when the unicorns might arrive.
If you want ANY credibility these questions need answers.

Moggy is too plummy to ever be trusted by the British public, in my opinion

JRM far from being stupid, is very careful in what he says, so that things can't be pinned on him.

Someone I know worked for a place where people were against most things being publicly funded.
They even suggested that schools should be ' private' : if people want children then they should pay to educate them! ( most of them went to a state school ..)
Not a sentiment I have heard anywhere myself but if maternity pay and so on is cut in the future then then this type of thing might start creeping out as a point of view as well! ( only rich people can have kids!)