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Governments response to revoke article 50 petition

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Olivetoil · 27/03/2019 01:27

This Government will not revoke Article 50. We will honour the result of the 2016 referendum and work with Parliament to deliver a deal that ensures we leave the European Union.
It remains the Government’s firm policy not to revoke Article 50. We will honour the outcome of the 2016 referendum and work to deliver an exit which benefits everyone, whether they voted to Leave or to Remain.
Revoking Article 50, and thereby remaining in the European Union, would undermine both our democracy and the trust that millions of voters have placed in Government.
The Government acknowledges the considerable number of people who have signed this petition. However, close to three quarters of the electorate took part in the 2016 referendum, trusting that the result would be respected. This Government wrote to every household prior to the referendum, promising that the outcome of the referendum would be implemented. 17.4 million people then voted to leave the European Union, providing the biggest democratic mandate for any course of action ever directed at UK Government.
British people cast their votes once again in the 2017 General Election where over 80% of those who voted, voted for parties, including the Opposition, who committed in their manifestos to upholding the result of the referendum.
This Government stands by this commitment.
Revoking Article 50 would break the promises made by Government to the British people, disrespect the clear instruction from a democratic vote, and in turn, reduce confidence in our democracy. As the Prime Minister has said, failing to deliver Brexit would cause “potentially irreparable damage to public trust”, and it is imperative that people can trust their Government to respect their votes and deliver the best outcome for them.
Department for Exiting the European Union

Not unexpected. Thoughts on wording?

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MarshaBradyo · 29/03/2019 08:06

Ha at Leavers signing it hilariously stupid

Windowsareforcheaters · 29/03/2019 08:07

As part of a democracy the general population need to engage with the political classes.

Adopting a supine "I voted now I do nothing" attitude is why politicians get away with crap. You can't blame politicians for treating people as if they are lazy, disengaged and ignorant when they actually are.

A functioning democracy values protests, demonstrations and petitions. They
let politicians know we are watching and we care. They let politicians know strength of feeling and how this might play out in an election.

As a society and an electorate we bare some responsibility for the dire state of our political class. It is in large part the attitude of 'there is nothing we can do' or more worryingly 'there is nothing we should do' that leads to this.

So I hope the Brexit demonstration today is successful and orderly and yes politicians should take note of the petition and not dismiss it.

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 29/03/2019 08:08

Very good point window

PizzaCafe2016 · 29/03/2019 08:09

Honestly for an online petition, which we all know will have no effect, people arent half desperate to explain that the votes mean nothing

Some people are bad losers and will cry and argue that black is in fact white as they did not get their way. Desperation is a good word to choose. Like someone drowning grabbing an anchor.

Windowsareforcheaters · 29/03/2019 08:17

Some people are bad losers

We complain when politicians act like children but perhaps they respond to their electorate?

Opposition is a vital part of democracy. Democracy is not a vote every now and then it is a living entity. We need to interact support and oppose. I think it is brilliant that people think they can make a difference and are putting effort in.

Cynical posturing is really easy, changing lives and decisions is really hard.

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 29/03/2019 08:25

pizza

the bit you quoted from my post was about SOME people that may or may not have voted leave

You've literally just said that they are bad losers and and will argue that black means white Grin

And desperate

PizzaCafe2016 · 29/03/2019 08:25

Democracy is honouring the result of a vote as opposed to wanting to people to vote over and over on the same thing in the hope people change their minds.

T May attempt to put the same deal in front of MP's over and over in the hope that it would be accepted was a classic example how democracy does not work like that.

Peregrina · 29/03/2019 10:13

A bit Alice In Wonderland, isn't it? Democracy means what I say it means, not what it actually means.

PizzaCafe2016 · 29/03/2019 10:36

Democracy means what I say it means, not what it actually means

That’s why TMay Deal was rejected twice and disallowed from being presented for a third time. Running the clock down in hope MPs would agree to the pay 39 Billion to remain deal.

Peregrina · 29/03/2019 10:48

No TM is now a Leaver, with the zeal of the convert. She wants no deal so that her wea£thy chums, inc£uding her husband can make more money.

Windowsareforcheaters · 29/03/2019 17:10

@PizzaCafe2016

Democracy is honouring the result of a vote as opposed to wanting to people to vote over and over on the same thing in the hope people change their minds

Nope.

I would be interested to read the constitutional expert who said this or are you just making it up?

PizzaCafe2016 · 30/03/2019 04:09

In a two horse race first past the post wins.

Windowsareforcheaters · 30/03/2019 09:38

Democracy is not a two horse race.

Democracies are complex structures and many feature super majorities and non elected elements.

Democracy is about supporting the whole population not just the majority.

As I keep saying Brexit demonstrates daily the need for good political education in the U.K..

PizzaCafe2016 · 30/03/2019 09:56

Democracy is about supporting the whole population not just the majority

Would you say the same if referendum result had been:

52% remain

48% leave

Windowsareforcheaters · 30/03/2019 10:04

Yes I would have said the same along with the majority of Brexit supporters who would have wanted another referendum.

I dislike referenda intensely but the result demonstrated a democratic deficit in the U.K..People do not feel their voice is heard. I have long campaigned for a change to FPTP which I think is in large part responsible for the feeling of disengagement.

Mistigri · 30/03/2019 11:05

The issue all along is that for Brexit to succeed two conditions needed to be met. Firstly, an acceptance of trade-offs. And secondly, acknowledgement that following a close and divisive referendum the government needed to seek "losers' consent" before undertaking major constitutional change.

If these two conditions had been met from the beginning we'd probably have left the EU for a Norway+ destination yesterday.

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