Governments response to revoke article 50 petition

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This Government will not revoke Article 50. We will honour the result of the 2016 referendum and work with Parliament to deliver a deal that ensures we leave the European Union.
It remains the Government’s firm policy not to revoke Article 50. We will honour the outcome of the 2016 referendum and work to deliver an exit which benefits everyone, whether they voted to Leave or to Remain.
Revoking Article 50, and thereby remaining in the European Union, would undermine both our democracy and the trust that millions of voters have placed in Government.
The Government acknowledges the considerable number of people who have signed this petition. However, close to three quarters of the electorate took part in the 2016 referendum, trusting that the result would be respected. This Government wrote to every household prior to the referendum, promising that the outcome of the referendum would be implemented. 17.4 million people then voted to leave the European Union, providing the biggest democratic mandate for any course of action ever directed at UK Government.
British people cast their votes once again in the 2017 General Election where over 80% of those who voted, voted for parties, including the Opposition, who committed in their manifestos to upholding the result of the referendum.
This Government stands by this commitment.
Revoking Article 50 would break the promises made by Government to the British people, disrespect the clear instruction from a democratic vote, and in turn, reduce confidence in our democracy. As the Prime Minister has said, failing to deliver Brexit would cause “potentially irreparable damage to public trust”, and it is imperative that people can trust their Government to respect their votes and deliver the best outcome for them.
Department for Exiting the European Union

Not unexpected. Thoughts on wording?

I got that email yesterday. At 5.08am today I got another email saying they are going to discuss it in parliament.

Are they???

I’ve had both. I assume the system’s been hacked to prompt more debate on sites like this....

It would be quite the April Fool if they didn't!

I got that email yesterday. At 5.08am today I got another email saying they are going to discuss it in parliament.

Yes they will. All petitions that reach 100k are considered for debate and this one has been accepted for debate, on April 1st of all days.

17million people voted leave, out of an electorate of about 47million people. How is that a majority?

That would never get through as there are many leave alternatives, including leave with no deal.

There are not that many achieve able outcomes really, considering you would only include what would practically through parliament and the E.U.

1. Leave with WA
2. Leave with no deal
3. Leave but renegotiate the WA based on a customs union 2.0
4. Leave but renegotiate WA based on norway model.

They would likely find a couple more but ultimately for the withdrawal part, which is where we are, there are not loads of options.

The future trading partnership and permanent relations is where it will get really sticky.

Why are they so afraid to double check in the light of more info

Because they are positive leave will not be voted for

Ironically the same view of cameron in the 2016

That seems to be the view of those who voted remain

Nope

There have been plenty of people who voted leave on these threads saying this

This Government wrote to every household prior to the referendum, promising that the outcome of the referendum would be implemented.

It wasn't actually This government, it was a different one.

Terrible response, and it was quickly followed by another email saying they will debate it.

They could have worded it better, but that was a fuck off email. Really not something to be sending to six million people.

Theresa May really has become a total despot. The responses coming out of the government are very fuck uou to everyone, from the people to the MPs. Total lack of consultation, leadership, gaining people's buy in, and a huge amount of fuck you I'm in charge.

The government is supposed to represent the people.right now all they represent is themselves. And I say that as a life long Tory supporter. Absolutely appalling behaviour from them.

The drafting is terrible, and they used more words than they needed to. The message isn't entirely clear other than La la la we're not listening

trust that millions of voters have placed in Government

What trust would that be?? I’ve never trusted a government less

And according to Theresa May, it's completely fine for parliament to keep voting on the same thing until she scares them enough to vote her way, but the public, oh no, they can fuck right off. They don't get a second bite of the cherry. They get to vote once, give the response she wishes and she's sticking to it. Doesn't care how many have changed their minds, doesn't care what the peoole think.

And we all know, the eu ministers can't stand her, and she can't stand them, the relarionship is broken beyond repair, so she wants out, to give them the big fuck uou too.

Just mind boggling. You'd think she was some dictator of some poverty stricken third world country and not actually the British prime minister, and she's surrounded herself with yes ma'am idiots like loathsome leadsom or STEPHEN Barclay, a man with so little integrity he will position a motion to the house then go and vote against it.

The drafting is terrible, and they used more words than they needed to. The message isn't entirely clear other than La la la we're not listening

That was my first thought too. It's the sort of email that you draft when pissed off with your boss, as a cathartic process of saying all the things you want to say but know you cannot. It is not the message you send to your boss because once you read it back you realise just how condescending and waffly it is.

It was written by someone who knew the response to it would be outrage. So they tried to over justify it.

All they should have said is "the government recognises the petition and it will be debated in the house on April 1" and left it there.

Instead they were told to tell the people to fuck off, and who ever had to write it tried too hard to justify it in an attempt to minimise the damage that was about to be done.

I wouldn't worry. They said they wouldn't have a GE in 2017 and they said they wouldn't extend Brexit. Both have happened. Don't give up hope yet, it's not over until we are out (and then we start agitating to get back in, or at least to stay in the EEA after transition).

Theresa May is only listening to the voices in her head these days (actually, I don't think that's a new thing for her, she's always had a reputation for that tendency I believe) so it's hardly a surprise.

The dreadful response was from Dexeu (a small department with a high turnover) - maybe someone trying to get promoted? The Petitions Committee is a separate body made up of 11 backbenchers and they sent the response about the debate. They also behaved responsibly about the early crashing of the petition site and tweeted to explain why it was happening and how they were fixing it.

Interesting thread about a GE from Tories against Brexit -
"An analysis of the #RevokeArticle50petition conducted by the Conservatives for a People’s Vote campaign reveals that over 20 Conservatives MPs are likely to lose their seats in the event of an election."
twitter.com/ToriesVsBrexit/status/1110801486617997313

I have also had an email:

Dear WeepingWillow,

Parliament is going to debate the petition you signed – “Revoke Article 50 and remain in the EU.”.

petition.parliament.uk/petitions/241584

The debate is scheduled for 1 April 2019.

Once the debate has happened, we’ll email you a video and transcript.

Thanks,
The Petitions team
UK Government and Parliament

British people cast their votes once again in the 2017 General Election where over 80% of those who voted, voted for parties, including the Opposition, who committed in their manifestos to upholding the result

This comment has made me mad......the electorate were not given a viable alternative which stood on an opposing platform. If you were a remainer what choice was there?

I’m hoping it will have the same effect on signatory numbers as her terrible speech. It’s heading towards 6 million now.

It irritated me immensely

Revoke is on the list of things today isn’t it? I mean I doubt it will happen but if it is they can’t be sure and also debating on 1st

I think it's incredibly irresponsible of the government to carry on with something so potentially catastrophic for the country when there is every indication that the tide of public opinion has changed and the majority do not want to Brexit.

The latest You Gov poll shows Remain in the lead by nine points. The leave petition sunk. Twat Face's leave march was lacklustre at best.

Public opinion has changed. To push us off the Brexit cliff when the majority no longer want it is beyond wrong and is the opposite of democratic.

It doesn’t matter what anybody wants - it is about the fact that the boting public are so incredibly angry that their voices and opinions are not being represented.

I come from an area where 60% of voters said no to leave but our minister is a hard brexiteer and has lived on a good majority for too long .. and sends us condescending bloody’news’ about why he goes against the majority of those who elected him.

This whole idea of ‘we won, we won’ belongs in a playground ..

For a long time I wasn’t in favour of a second referendum of any sort. I have heard so many people spouting the “leave means leave” line without being able to tell anyone what the actual benefits of that would be. Other than responses which are clearly racist, xenophobic or downright daft (Brexit = more money for our own NHS, schools etc). So really, I haven’t seen much point.

But I’m now beginning to think that this whole fiasco is such a catastrophic clusterfuck that people do need to be asked “are you actually sure this is what you want?” “Really?” With ALL of the information to hand. Because whatever your point of view, nobody can even begin to claim that the first referendum was held on an informed basis. Even parliament didn’t know what Brexit would actually amount to at that stage.

If people then choose to leave the EU knowing full well what will happen then so be it.