Why would a change of PM make a difference?

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Maybe I'm missing something obvious, but I don't understand why replacing May might mean her deal gets accepted this week?

Or was that just a great big pile of crap?

".....We voted to leave."
After a frankly dodgy campaign from the Leave group, spending money from who knows where and using Facebook data to target particular groups.

Also "we" didn't all vote to leave...a massive group of UK society - those who were not born in the UK but have been living here, working here and paying taxes here for many years yet hadn't officially naturalized due to cost / not realising there was a need to because they saw themselves as British by length of habitation - they were blocked from voting at all. And guess which way most of them would have voted?

A change of PM will not make any real difference. We cannot renegotiate so what difference can it make on that front? None. It is just the Brexit ERG trying to get rid of her inexchange for some supoort next week. It is pure politics and self interest. They had David Davis trying to negotiate and his bluster got us nowhere.

It is interesting that people think David Lidington will go for PM. He is my former MP and whilst he is extremey bright, he is Mr Grey. He is the polar opposite of Boris! He does not do bluster and he is very loyal to the party. TM could go if she throught Lidington would take over. In that way she might feel she has handed over to safe pair of hands.

No-one really understood what leaving the EU would entail. No-one in Parliament anyway. They have had a very sharp lesson in not getting what you want, not being the big fish you think you are and the implosion of the Conservatives (again) over this. We are not used to negotiating anything as the EU negotiated our trade deals. We have not jad meaningful negotiatins with anyone for 60 years. Brexit and its aftermath will never go away and it will not matter who is Leader. It will not matter which party is in either. Labour is not trusted by business and now the Conservatives are not either. We need business to reamin healthy so people are employed on decent wages. If that does not happen, it is more austerity. Voting for Brexit has put all of our recovery in jeopardy.

In 2010 we voted to end the deficit by 2015. In 2015 we voted to end the deficit by 2019. In 2014 the Scots voted to Remain in the Union because they were told that was the only way to stay in the EU.

It won't make any difference, but it allows the Tories to blame everything on May while someone else apparently rides to the rescue (while actually just continuing the gallop towards disaster). For that reason, although May has been terrible, I'd prefer her to stay at this point.

Who voted for ending austerity? The economic situation is fluid. It was an aspiration. People need to understand economics a bit more and understand how money is generated by the UK. Again, you cannot always have what you want! You certainly cannot always spend what you want if you are not generating sufficient tax income to do it. Or do we carry on borrong and let out children and grandchildren pay more tax to pay off the interest? That is irresponsible. As parents we would not do that.

People need to understand economics a bit more and understand how money is generated by the UK

Oh the irony

Austerity was driven by Tory ideology, not financial need. On the back of the world wide financial crisis the tories used that as an excuse to shrink the state.Hence the cynical and callous attacks on anyone and everyone who relies on the state.This policy has made us all poorer.A nation cannot run its finances like a family would..The government could and should have used cheap money to stimulate demand and growth.It chose not to and here we all are

I agree with a lot of what you say bubbles, but I think it does matter what leader we have.

I think we have to go with WA - the other two options are madness (even though I want to revoke) - but it’s only the first step, and any new leader will shape the future deal(s) made during the leaving negotiations.l, once the WA is agreed.

But I don’t think MPs would vote for a leaver as a replacement for TM, with most MPs being remainers. Not sure who though.

Bojo do you not know we are in 2 trillion of debt, and far more is spent in interest payments than we pay to the EU?

We have endured 10 years of austerity. Go figure

Yes because it’s such a huge issue!

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We have to stop spending and get the debt down.

I don't understand why such excitement a out the petition - there was a thread the other day saying folks were putting their kids names on, making multiple IDs etc - it's hardly comparable to an actual one adult=one vote scenario...

We have to stop spending and get the debt down

If the country was a household I'd agree otherwise please educate yourself on how to stimulate an economy and cutting spending isnt the way, neither are tax cuts for the rich and just to make sure youre aware trickle down economics doesnt and never has demonstrably worked

Frozen wages and benefits whilst prices rise mean most people have no money to spend. One-third of benefit claimants are in work.

The Parasite Layer meanwhile continues to award itself many multiples of the inflation rate in pay rises year on year. This money is mostly stashed overseas or spent on imports.

And yet we are the 5th largest economy on the world, with high employment rates, the economy isn’t doing too badly (and that’s while we’re in the EU)

I’m not a Tory voter normally but I’m not convinced that the labour way which also led to huge pay rises to the some of the richest (I’m think doctors) worked either. I do wonder if it’s inherent greed that is the problem.

Yes I think the gap between rich and poor is a big problem, and austerity is more than about benefits

My instinct though is that austerity is necessary for a period, and it must be the instinct of most of the country who voted Tory.

This thread isn’t about austerity though it’s about whether a new Tory PM will make a difference, and I think that one of the idealistic leavers could make things much worse for us all.

The highest earners are a tiny proportion of people. But communism with a planned state and socialist policies doesn’t work either. You need a mix but you cannot load debt into the next generation and their DC because you want it all now. There needed to be some adjustment. You do have some debt but it cannot be out of control. The best way to avoid debt is to get people innwell paid jobs. To do this we need better educated people.

The best way to avoid debt is to get people innwell paid jobs.

Incorrect, the best way is for employers to pay a living wage, to offer full time hours with all the benefits that full time work carries with it, also to fund the social security system adequately so that disabled people, and those that are temporarily looking for work are able to live and function in a humane way. The % of those that are 'generationally' unemployed are tiny so theres no need to demonise the rest of the cohort just to make a tiny few try and change

The best way to avoid debt is to get people innwell paid jobs. To do this we need better educated people.

You will still need people to do low-skilled work like care work and picking fruit. Some of this work may require few skills but has a high social value and needs to be valued properly.

I would question whether care work done well is actually all that low skilled. We get low skilled people into it because we don't pay them properly.

I agree Peregrina, though a lot of it is soft skills that aren't amenable to certificates and qualifications. Most care work is done by unqualified family members so it is "unskilled" in that respect. But work does not have to be highly skilled to have a high social value. I think we attach too much importance to formal skills in this respect (even though I am all in favour of improving education).

even though I am all in favour of improving education

To me that was the most important part and continues to be so for me in the Labour manifesto the NES (national education system) that you can get the education you want for free and no matter how old you are, due to my disability it wont affect me but the idea that a workforce can retrain to match the global economy and its shifting patterns, is an absolute win, also the ability of anyone no matter what background they come from can choose to educate themselves in absolutely anything they want means an educated populace which in turn gives us a greater chance at evidence based governmental policies in the future, long after I'm dead no doubt

'It is interesting that people think David Lidington will go for PM. He is my former MP and whilst he is extremey bright, he is Mr Grey.'

50 Shades of Lidington. Now there's a thought.

50 Shades of Lidington. Now there's a thought.