Possibly a forbidden Brexit Question about Leavers worst case scenario if A50 revoked

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Really worrying asides about civil war, 'then they'd see what would happen', veiled and not so veiled threats.

If A50 was revoked or a people's vote planned what would angry Leave voters actually do? Nigel Farage has just said "No more Mr Nice Guy'.

The veneer of civilisation seems to have worn very thin in places these days. There is planning in place for civil unrest.

Bearing in mind the vast majority of Leave voters are not bullies, uncaring or out to hurt friends and family who voted Remain what about the few who are really worked up and would not stop at name calling.

The thing is, though, that the same twats would be causing trouble after we left, when they become broke. I'd rather stay and cope with the problems than leave and deal with the problems then.

Good point

One million people went to the pro EU march in London. Farage's pro Brexit march was just 200 people. I don't think we should be that worried about a few gammons.

200.wow that many :)

The March was very London based but the majority of Leavers are not... I think the online petition is more indicative.

We stand up to them with reason, tolerance, patience, progress and understanding.
When they go low, we go high.

I dare say the govt would give the army carte blanche to sort it out by any means necessary.

After all, Macron has deployed the military to use 'force' to deal with the gilets jaunes in France. Nice to see repression alive and kicking in the EU.

I think Hollowtalk’s point is extremely good: if we leave with no deal we will (I believe) be incredibly short of public money. I don’t know how we would hope to resource a stronger police force to deal with those people

I am worried about people who plan violence. Even a few.

The march was not London based - I spoke to people who'd come from Scotland, Cornwall, Devon, Yorkshire, Oxford and I went from Bristol and know people who came from a dozen other places. It was held in London and attended by people from everywhere.

Yes. A lot of very lively, well organised leave protests. Yesterday's motorway Go Slow for example. This has been a cracker too protest [[https://www.plymouthherald.co.uk/news/local-news/brexit-ferry-protest-plymouth-no-2677855?fbclid=IwAR3HR90-xp5jPOXDx-9DVYbI4ZoNkuAOx2jPLCsbBhJCMUgqEtyppDV41qE]]. All thankfully peaceful.

You are right of course onalong

Farage was never a 'nice guy'.
The government, has 'waged war' against most in the country, so the armed forces are pissed off with it, as are the police so it is not really 'the state' against the civilian population.
Although the EU HAVE to stay neutral in discussions they are very aware of the situation and although they can't intervene directly (what with the UK being a sovereign state and all that) there will be pressure they can exert diplomatically. When all the shouting is over, if the UK wants to eat properly it will HAVE to negotiate with the EU. There is a report from the US today saying that there will be no fantastic deals from the USA as although Trump may be trying to engineer domination, he may well be out of office before the deals can be done.

I worry about everything but I'd honestly not worry about this. Who would they target? They're not going to kick the crap out of random people.

Awful link fail there

www.plymouthherald.co.uk/news/local-news/brexit-ferry-protest-plymouth-no-2677855?fbclid=IwAR3HR90-xp5jPOXDx-9DVYbI4ZoNkuAOx2jPLCsbBhJCMUgqEtyppDV41qE

I don't think planned violence is likely to be an issue. Unplanned (but infectious) rioting after a no deal may well be though.

If A50 was revoked or a people's vote planned what would angry Leave voters actually do?

They will do exactly as theyve always done, they bitched and moaned about the EU, after they won theyve continued to bitch and moan about the EU so if we revoke guess what they'll do? Bitch and fucking moan about the EU in a more gammony kind of way

I'm sure it's all hyperbole, op.

{After all, Macron has deployed the military to use 'force' to deal with the gilets jaunes in France. Nice to see repression alive and kicking in the EU.}

Those causing the vandalism and looting in France are not 'protestors' in the usual sense, they are going armed with gas masks and weapons deliberately to cause as much mayhem as possible. They are not out to request the cancellation of fuel price rises (which has been agreed) or the other 'soft' reasons behind the original protests.

The French 'We want less pesticide use' is hardly a subject that will bring out the looting of shops and burning of cars to achieve it.

I thought the gilets jaunes had multiple demands - a fairer economic system, reforms to the French democratic system, and increasing the min wage and Corp tax?

By criminalising the protesters, Macron has conveniently allowed himself to ignore their demands.

Not entirely hyperbole from people who really wish to cause harm to

mosques or people who speak spanish unfortunately.

I believe the original GJ only started with a couple of 'demands' but it grew somewhat. The origins did not really have a 'head' and it was relatively uncoordinated. The first two or three weeks almost all the 'protest' sites were correctly reported and you would have a group of protestors on one side of the road speaking to drivers and causing a bit of a hold up, but a few Gendarmes on the other side of the road.
The idea of less tax but greater welfare payments is a bit nonsensical.
Not disputing that many things could do with 'tweaking' to make things a bit fairer.

*After all, Macron has deployed the military to use 'force' to deal with the gilets jaunes in France. Nice to see repression alive and kicking in the EU"

I think the french have been incredibly patient with the GJ, compare with how we dealt with the miners or the students protesting against fee's? let alone NI.

The french army are being used to guard public buildings in order to free up more Police... but if GJ's smash things up, burn cars and buildings, then sure, force has to be used or do we tolerate anarchy?

We stand up to them with reason, tolerance, patience, progress and understanding.

That will make a pleasant change from the usual insults directed at Leavers on Mumsnet.

I think the thing you have to remember is that most leave voters are over it. It’s mostly remain people who remain emotional. If they government revoked Art 50 without a vote that may not go down well but if they held an exiting referendum I don’t think it would be that much of an issue if the result was that brexit didn’t happen. I’m sure that a lot of leave voters would actually welcome one if it present the opportunity to resolve brexit quicker (e.g. a choice between the agreement May negotiated and no deal). There are always people looking for an excuse to riot who might use no brexit or no deal or pretty much anything but I doubt that there would be a political backlash resulting in widespread physical violence. I definitely don’t see a civil war happening no matter how much some people on mn like that idea (you’re also the ones bloody stock piling aren’t you?).