It's here! - the day we march against the chaos that is Brexit.

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A thread for those of us on the march today :)

Weather still looking good, (perhaps, possibly, even some sunshine?) temps around 12-14, a little gusty at times, cooling off in the evening, so bring an extra jumper if you haven't set off.

Travel safely and see you at the march!

that included many who are not on the electoral roll.

Is there now some rule that people who are not on the electoral roll don't have a right to protest?

Pretty sad that none of the leavers who are so pissed off about the attendance at the PV march could be bothered to turn up at one of the leave demonstrations on the same day.

Just remember that they are desperate to minimise the impact of the march because you can fake internet voices for Brexit but you can't fake protesters taking to the streets.

You're right I am a fascist and fullfact.org is run by fascists.

I have no idea who this mighty oracle 'fullfact.org', which you stand by so proudly, is run by or what they stand for. What I do know is that, in this instance, they are lying because unlike them I was there and experienced it first hand.

And I know lying about numbers of dissenters is a tool of fascists. Don't have to be a fascist to use it ... but you should pay attention to whose company you're keeping.

I'd still like to know how fullfact.org checked everyone to see if they were on an electoral roll, did they stop everyone in their tracks and say OK Portia and co tell us where you're from luvees and we'll check you off on the copy of the electoral roll we nicked from your nearest public library or the British library.

Pah tis bullshite

Well fullfact didn't ask me or anyone around me that I could see, so that looks like a few thousand that they made guesses on.

Checking in here for the first time since Saturday. The 4 of us went for our first ever march and I haven't stopped thinking about it since. It was exactly what my Brexit-weary mind, heart and soul needed.
We left the house at 6 am, didn't get back till 11.30 pm, didn't make the whole match as we had to meet our coach home. The kids didn't complain once (7 and 10), loved shouting Bollocks to Brexit, holding our sign and flag. Such humour, kindness, diversity and passion in that enormous crowd. I'm proud that we were there!

Aaaaannndddd here we go again with the MATHSSSSS. That article is pish, at least as written, and the authors can fucking sue me, and here's why.

I am holding a "getting in my car" party. It is going to run for about 5 hours. My car holds 5 people at most. How many people attended my party? The article says that it looked at the space in my car, and TA-DAAH there were 5 attendees. But it didn't take into account that people could get in and out of my car. For 5 hours. So now how many people attended my car party? And how many of them were on the electoral roll? Anybody? How 'about Fullfacts, since they know MATHSSSSS?

And because it was a March that we went to, not a Stand, even if the calculated area (conveniently not counting all the spillover into the side streets and parks) does hold 2 Brits, 39 Germans and a dog... I'm sure Fullfacts can assure me that they were the same 2 Brits, 39 Germans and a dog the entire time. Yes? Yes?

I do feel as though I am being gaslighted somewhat. I was on the Iraq war march as well as Saturday's. I know how they felt.

It would have been better had we ended the march in Hyde Park as we did back in 2003 - easier to flow into and more can gather in one spot as we did then. Instead many of us ended up stationary in Park Lane for hours, very tightly packed and so many many people had to dip in and out rather than stay in the march and many people struggled to make it on to the main flow.

The Leavers attempt to discredit numbers reminds me of Trumps attempts to say his inauguration crowds were much bigger than they were. We could compare the pictures of his and Obamas and judge for ourselves. Yes, pictures can be photoshopped but real people out on the street weren't photo shopped.

Sore winners these Leavers - they have had nearly three years now with their own people driving the issue and they haven't come up with the goods so far.

I looked at the Full Fact report: it doesn't rule out 700,000.
I wonder if the Farage "pay me to walk" March has as many?

I wonder if the Farage "pay me to walk" March has as many?

But they had a bus, and 20 million there in spirit, surely that shows the will of the people more than those who marched in London.

If Fullfact are trying to say that the crows was only 4 “Twickenhams” or 5 “London Stadiums” l call bullshit.

I have been in the crush to leave both stadia (88,000 and 76,000) after sell out events

Saturday was an order of magnitude larger than either.

I looked at the Full Fact report: it doesn't rule out 700,000

Yeah i said that earlier but milly may have missed it

Add that to thelements post and you could easily get to 1 mil

I do feel as though I am being gaslighted somewhat. I was on the Iraq war march as well as Saturday's. I know how they felt.

You feel that way because it is gaslighting. No one knows how many people where there, but people who attended (especially those who were at the previous Brexit march, or the Iraq march) know that it was fucking huge on any scale.

The only reason this is an issue is because hardly anyone turns up at pro-Brexit demonstrations. Although there are still quite a lot of people who will say yes if asked by pollsters whether we should Brexit, there are hardly any who care enough to make any personal effort to support it. There is a lot of support on-line but a lot of that is sock puppets amplifying the Brexit message, some based outside the EU. It is very difficult to translate that into attendance at demonstrations.

In contrast the remain movement is a large grassroots campaign which can easily mobilise real people, often at considerable personal cost I would add as I certainly wasn't the person who came the furthest.

Compare and contrast Fullfact.org’s report of last October’s March and their report of Saturday’s March:

fullfact.org/news/did-670000-march-peoples-vote-brexit/

fullfact.org/europe/peoples-vote-march-count/?utm_source=homepage&utm_medium=main_story

To be very fair

If i voted leave...and thought we were leaving

I wouldn't attend a pro leave march

What would be the point...we were leaving

Anti-Brexit marchers are "Grey-haired Waitrose regulars... hoisting snarky little placards" who impress "no sane person..."

Thus spaketh the Currant Bun.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47700431

I was on both marches, (and all previous ones) and I know that there were significantly more there on Saturday than there had been in October, and the numbers on the October march astounded me. So fullfact has almost certainly got it wrong on this one.

*If i voted leave...and thought we were leaving

I wouldn't attend a pro leave march*

This is a fair point, but pro-Brexit activity on this forum is by people who are concerned that they won't get the Brexit they want (or any Brexit). If I wanted something that passionately, and I thought there was a risk of a hard won victory slipping through my fingers - I'd be out there demonstrating.

To give him his due, Farage and his supporters are doing just that. But there are not very many of them.

I wouldn't attend a pro leave march What would be the point...we were leaving

Considering the deadline has already been changed, and there was a march organised by a prominent leave figure, surely leavers might feel like marching to show their frustration that their wishes aren't being followed?

Correction: Farage himself isn't doing that. He's dipping in and out when there is publicity. Otherwise, Where's Nigel? as the LedbyDonkeys van keeps asking.

Interesting. So by their reckoning there were fewer people on Saturday than there were last October. Having been at both, that's a big fat LOL from me!

misti and ice

Both fair points

Is anyone disputing the 700k figure from October because Saturday's march was soooo much bigger. I've been to all of the anti-Brexit marches in London since 2016 and Saturday's was the first at which (a) I couldn't do anything more than shuffle because there were so many people (b) I couldn't get down Whitehall because of crowds (c) it took about 45 minutes to start shuffling when I joined at Hyde Park Corner.

I feel like a veteran of these marches and even I shouted, "Oh my God!" when I got my first view of Piccadilly and saw how many people were in front of me and how tightly they were packed. I am really surprised it was "only" a million, if you had told me it was way more than that, I could easily believe it.

The only reason this is an issue is because hardly anyone turns up at pro-Brexit demonstrations.

Is almost as if Brexit was backed by the politically disengaged ?

Why the dispute over numbers anyway, we were there we know it was huge and we don't need a knobby website to call us liars and tick us off the electoral register as we disembarked from buses and trains. My train was packed with people and placards all cheerful and not all grey haired waitrose warriors ( what a cheek I'm not even 40) and nobody whinging and saying we want to make our own laws etc . It was a great day as as I previously posted I'll never forget it, attempts to piss over my memories will never ever work