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Westminstenders: Flextension

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RedToothBrush · 21/03/2019 22:37

Just wrote an intro and wiped it. So this is as quick as I can sum up.

EU response is extension to 22nd May if May passes her deal by 29th March

Or an unconditional extension to 12 April which could be extended with a plan and understanding to take part in EU elections.

This isn't what may wanted. It gives her less time and leverage

It opens up the possibility of her being ousted as PM in the next couple of days. Graham Brady asked her to quit on Monday. Remain Cabinet ministers are threatening to quit if May whips a vote to support no deal.

The talk is May has indeed flipped to supporting no deal with many think she's pretty much gone full on Colonel Kurtz.

The EU are in effect supporting parliamentary sovereignty and are being incredibly reasonable.

May now has to decide whether to accept.

The whole situation looks explosive and likely that one half of the cabinet or the other are on the brink of walking. And May's power is so shattered.

However she remains the gatekeeper and as it stands if she's hell bent on no deal, it will be extremely difficult for Parliament to prevent that.

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LouiseCollins28 · 22/03/2019 14:33

Not sure delicious irony is the sentiment I would choose to express. The EU27 do seem to have "gone round" May rather than through her with their latest offer, I agree with you there!

prettybird · 22/03/2019 14:34

The functionality of the Petitions website has been drastically reduced to help with the load Shock The Petitions website people have tweeted that they've taken down the live update of number of signatories and are only updating every half hour (they may even have since changed it to hourly). Plus the map/constituency allocation is not being updated.

I reckon 4 million by tonight - and certainly by the time of the batch tomorrow - which should itself give it a good boost Smile

WhatWouldScoobyDoo · 22/03/2019 14:34

So UKIP are now ridiculous, but the right wing threat is not?

SingingBabooshkaBadly · 22/03/2019 14:40

Haha. Well this is 2019. In my defence satire was killed off a couple of years ago.

Red Grin True. DH and I have often said The Thick of It just wouldn’t work now because reality has become more extreme.

Is now a good time to start speading a rumour that if we leave the EU we won’t be allowed to take part in the Euromillions draws?

(I’m joking Smile )

RedToothBrush · 22/03/2019 14:43

Haven't we had that rumour? Euro millions have put out an explanation that we will be able to still enter euro millions after Brexit.

Seriously they have!

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Runningintothesunset · 22/03/2019 14:48

www.livefrombrexit.com/petitions/241584

Constituency numbers have been updated - some amazing numbers

Icantreachthepretzels · 22/03/2019 14:49

Euro millions have put out an explanation that we will be able to still enter euro millions after Brexit.

That was one of the things I checked before the referendum even took place!

RedToothBrush · 22/03/2019 14:56

Yvette Cooper @ yvettecoopermp
V worried PM still wants her deal or no deal & will run down clock again til we end up with No Deal chaos on 12 April. We’ve tabled further cross party amendment; if PMs Deal isn’t passed, Govt must set out plan to prevent No Deal on 12 April, taking account of indicative votes

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DGRossetti · 22/03/2019 14:59

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/mps-to-be-offered-knock-out-voting-system-to-break-logjam-on-brexit_uk_5c3e6dc9e4b0922a21d9acbd

huffingtonpost.co.uk
'Knock-Out' Voting System To Force MPs To Pick One Brexit Plan
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MPs could stage a series of ‘knock-out’ votes on Brexit under a radical new plan to stop the UK from crashing out of the EU without a deal, HuffPost UK can reveal.

After the historic defeat of Theresa May’s proposals on Tuesday, cross-party moves are underway to effectively force the House of Commons to find a majority for an alternative way forward.

Under a new amendment drafted by Welsh party Plaid Cymru, MPs would be asked to list their preference for a range of options including a Norway-style Brexit, a second referendum and remaining in the EU.

In a dramatic bid to break the parliamentary logjam, the traditional Commons voting system would be replaced by a series of ‘run-offs’ to find the one solution which commands most support.

The least popular option would be eliminated and a fresh vote held on those remaining, until a single solution is arrived at.

Many political parties use such multi-round votes for their own internal elections. In a bid to woo Tory support, one system proposed under the plan would be that used by the Conservatives to elect their party leader.

Theresa May after her shattering Brexit vote defeat

Blogging for HuffPost UK, Plaid Cymru MP Jonathan Edwards said: “As we saw last night, there is no majority support for the British government’s chosen Brexit policy.

“This is despite the reckless manner in which the prime minister has run down the clock.

“It seems to me that at this point of high crisis a potential safety net could be deployed by using a voting system designed to ensure a majority conclusion.”

Some MPs, including cabinet ministers, have backed the idea of ‘indicative votes’ on Plan B proposals for Brexit.

But indicative votes, while considering each option in turn, still run the risk of failing to find a majority for any proposal.

The new plan would abandon the binary ‘aye/noe’ voting system and instead force a choice by removing the least popular options in turn.

Six different Brexit options would be on the ballot paper: ‘no-deal’, a ‘Canada-plus’ free trade deal, May’s revised deal, ‘Norway-plus’, a second referendum and remaining in the EU.

MPs would stage a series of votes, knocking out the most unpopular choices until they arrived at a single winning solution.

A cross-party body approved by all the Westminster party leaders would be created to swiftly decide by consensus which precise voting system was used and which Brexit options were included.

The ‘working group’ would be similar to that used to address recent allegations of bullying and harassment in Westminster.

As well as the ‘iterative run-off’ or ‘Weakest Link’ system used by the Tories, an ‘alternative vote’ system, used by Labour for its leadership elections, would be considered.

The Plaid Cymru plan would take the form of an amendment to the PM’s next formal motion on Brexit, expected next Monday.

In the wake of her shattering 230-vote defeat on Tuesday night, the prime minister said she would hold meetings with “senior parliamentarians” from different parties to identify “what would be required to secure the backing of the House”.

Plaid Cymru’s own preference is for a second referendum.

DGRossetti · 22/03/2019 15:00

Funny how the proles get stuck with FPTP ...

BigChocFrenzy · 22/03/2019 15:00

MPs STILL don't get it
They just don't listen to what the EU keeps telling us:

They can't change the WA
At most they can change the PD during a (longer) extension

Peter Foster@pmdfoster

U.K. MPs still dreaming. Please wake up. Repeat after me.

THE. WITHDRAWAL. AGREEMENT. IS. CLOSED.

Odds of clarity by April 12 if thinking is this confused is very, very low.

havingtochangeusernameagain · 22/03/2019 15:02

THE. WITHDRAWAL. AGREEMENT. IS. CLOSED

No it isn't. Not if the red lines are changed. That would be the whole point of a longer extension - to agree a new deal based on the changed negotiating environment.

RedToothBrush · 22/03/2019 15:04

Carole is getting very excited

Carole Cadwalladr @ carolecadwalla
A thread to make the heart beat faster. The dept of justice's private jet has been in London since Tuesday. It was used last year to pick up Russian hacker in Prague & take him to US...
t.co/dJ5UjWLX1l

Speculation (and I stress this is very much unsubstantiated) that it might be Mueller related.

Replies to Carole are interesting. As is the thread.

It would be quite something if indeed Carole was barking up the correct tree.

I guess we will know soon enough if she is.

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woodpigeons · 22/03/2019 15:05

There is talk on the brexit board of lorry blockades starting.on.The M25 this evening.and.people. in other areas are saying.They are planning to block.coaches going to themarch. K
Can't check it out as.am getting pop ups, suposedly. from.virgin media every tim r I open a Brexit page and which only go away when I close the page and then come back as soon I.open.one again.
Sorry for rubbish posting. Using a very old very slow tablet

tobee · 22/03/2019 15:06

Sky news ticker been saying government spokesman says its up to speaker re the vote on MV 3. Which is a handy way to blame him

BigChocFrenzy · 22/03/2019 15:06

They should be concentrating on either a PV - for which the EU have confirmed they would give a long extension -
or a straight Revoke
The path for either is clear enough.

All the indicative votes on the future trade relationship - Canada, Norway etc - would be about modifyng the PD, not the WA

Any WA has to contain these 3 basics:
exit bill, expat rights, backstop - because of course they don't trust us about the border
So the backstop has to be watertight

Tanith · 22/03/2019 15:08

UKIP have made themselves ridiculous with their physical fights, and petty leadership squabbles. Even Farage is sick to the back teeth of them.

UKIP is merely a Right Wing party; it is not the whole of the Right Wing.

SusanWalker · 22/03/2019 15:08

Could you imagine if Nige can't make the end of his march because he's in the states? Led by donkeys would have a field day with their mobile ads.

BigChocFrenzy · 22/03/2019 15:09

THE. WITHDRAWAL. AGREEMENT. IS. CLOSED

That's the WA, because the exit bill, expat rights and backstop must stay.

Only the PD - the framework for the future relationship - is open for negotiation IF the red lines change

RedToothBrush · 22/03/2019 15:11

Could you imagine if Nige can't make the end of his march because he's in the states?

It won't be Nige.

We would have heard a shit load already if it was.

There are others it could be connected to Mueller.

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tobee · 22/03/2019 15:12

Christian Fraser on BBC describing May's contradictions at the meeting last night compared to her press conference. Calls her "an inscrutable pm". Felt like a euphemism for doesn't know what she thinks. Except keep going.

LouiseCollins28 · 22/03/2019 15:13

If the "indicative votes" thing happens, surely if the government were really committed to "no deal" then the smart thing to do would be not to vote for anything and thereby discredit the process? Would be deeply hypocritical and I don't think they'd do it, or be able to control it if there really were a series of free votes.

BigChocFrenzy · 22/03/2019 15:14

Blockading a march
Very democratic Hmm

Can't get more than a few hundred at their own marches, so want to block ours

Hopefully this is just talk - that chunk of Leavers are good at fantasising, rather than doing

tobee · 22/03/2019 15:16

What would "parliament taking control" look like if it happens next week?

DGRossetti · 22/03/2019 15:16

And again, this thread mentions brainwashing, and Dilbert obliges ...

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