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Rovoke then let people decide with a GE

35 replies

PutsFootInIt · 21/03/2019 08:17

Soz I'm hogging the Brexit board here but have been doing a lot of thinking.

Surely the best course of action would be to revoke A50, may resigns (Rudd prob becomes PM) GE is called in which parties stand on Brexit-related manifestos. Rudds would be norway++, corbyn would be equiclvalent of remaining but with no say, libs, IndG, Green, SNP Remain.

Then whoever gets the majority is the way forward.

...prob would just be hung parliament again wouldn't it Confused

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ItsInTheSpoon · 21/03/2019 08:22

Revoke is what Remainers want. Not what the majority voted for.

Colourpencils · 21/03/2019 08:25

Spoon so you're happy with no deal then?

ItsInTheSpoon · 21/03/2019 08:28

I did not say that.

chillychicken · 21/03/2019 08:28

The world doesn't revolve around Brexit. What about social care, housing, transport, etc? You can't just have a Brexit-related manifesto.

I'd be delighted if it were to be revoked, but that's as likely to happen as the politicians putting their egos to one side and realising what is best for the country in the long time (not crashing out next week with no deal)

rosie39forever · 21/03/2019 08:59

As I understand it once a member has revoked A50 it can't be triggered again it's a one shot deal so election manifestos based n Brexit would be pointless as we would have to remain, it's to stop members leaving and rejoining at will.

PutsFootInIt · 21/03/2019 09:00

Chilly, there would still be other policies and/or a shorter term til another GE once brexit outcome is in place

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Bearbehind · 21/03/2019 09:00

A GE won’t help because Brexit is not divided across party lines.

bellinisurge · 21/03/2019 09:47

Remain voter here who would take WA over No Deal.

lboogy · 21/03/2019 09:53

What's the point of a GE? I don't vote on one issue at a GE so this will not solve the problem. Best solution is a specific option of deal, no deal , TMs deal or labour deal etc

lboogy · 21/03/2019 09:53

Also I think a GE will split votes across multiple party lines so no majority for any party

Tomtontom · 21/03/2019 09:58

I'm for a GE because there are so many other important issues that need addressing in the UK. Austerity caused Brexit and it continues to cause hardship to hundreds of thousands of people. And because we need another party to sort out Brexit, the Tories are a laughing stock in the EU.

However the country is so divided I doubt any party would gain a majority.

Whatever happens next, it's going to be years until we're back on our feet.

havingtochangeusernameagain · 21/03/2019 11:35

Remain voter here who would take WA over No Deal Me too Bellini.

PCohle · 21/03/2019 11:46

A GE result would be clear as mud, a second referendum would give a much clearer and more specific idea of what the electorate actually want.

Revoking art. 50 first sounds like a shit idea though - what if the outcome (of either a GE or a referendum) is Brexit? Would those voters be expected to wait another two years following a second triggering of Art. 50? If that's even permitted.

PutsFootInIt · 21/03/2019 18:22

Article 50 would have to be revoked because there isn't time for any other option other then the WA or no deal.

Another 2 and a half years (if that is non-negotiable) is not a long time to get things right even if there's a clear mandate.

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PCohle · 21/03/2019 18:56

I'm not sure why you believe Europe would turn down a request for an extension in order to hold a second referendum?

They seem to be willing to be accommodating provided an extension is for a tangible, specific purpose.

PutsFootInIt · 21/03/2019 20:33

But all member states would have to agree and there won't be time for that after MV3 next week surely?

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Yaralie · 21/03/2019 20:56

Let's hope our MPs are brave enough to ignore the threats to their careers and even their lives and do their duty to revoke article 50 and stop this brexit nonsense for good. We have spent quite enough time and money on it. Let's get on with our lives.

PCohle · 21/03/2019 21:04

Latest from the BBC is "The BBC's Europe editor Katya Adler said she had been told that a short extension until 7 May will be offered, unless by 11 April the UK says it will take part in European Parliamentary elections, in which case the delay could be until the end of the year." www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47660019

BBC is also claiming that "The Electoral Commission has told BBC News it has "contingency plans in place" and is ready "to respond quickly to any unscheduled poll".
www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-politics-46426380

Seems like there's time to make it work. The EU seem genuinely keen to be seen to be reasonable provided there is some compromise on the British side.

PutsFootInIt · 21/03/2019 21:08

Ooh. Ok that is positive news. I hope!! Thanks PChole!

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PutsFootInIt · 21/03/2019 21:09

I guess I have been too gullible in believing May's scare tactics !!!

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RoseAndRose · 21/03/2019 21:16

I do not think an attempt at a single issue GE would be a remotely good idea.

On the parties' manifestos last time, the leave vote wouid be split between Labour/UKIP/Tory (whose policies on all the other thing a government would do are somewhat different) and Remain would all have to go Lib Dem or minor parties (again with a big range of other policies)

Parliament voted against another referendum. It strikes me as just dead wrong to call for a re-run via GE

Afineexample · 22/03/2019 10:41

I voted to remain.
An election following a withdrawal of Art 50 would have a LOT of people voting for parties like UKIP and BNP. Maybe not enough to elect more than a small amount of MPS, but enough to make them (the parties) feel more important and relevant.

You'd be completely ignoring the needs of many who voted leave- for some, it wasn't necessarily about leaving, but a priest against the years and years of being ignored by London. I'm not saying they made the right decision. But ignoring them AGAIN is a potential for disaster.

I live in a leave voting area. It's a poor town. Many, many people have low paying jobs that barely cover rent, bills and food. Government cuts make it worse. So they cling on to any hope that life will get better. False hope. But when you have nothing, anything vaguely hopeful sounds good. They have been sold a fantasy of jobs, money and nostalgia. They won't believe it's a fantasy until its crashing down around their heads, sadly.

I am NOT saying that this all leave voters; but it's definitely some I know and work with.

CrushedVelvet · 22/03/2019 11:15

I don't think a second election is the answer, partly because of the points raised by Afineexample. Personally I do think a second referendum is warranted, partly because of all the misinformation of the original Leave campaign, and partly because it appears that Brexit will be an economic hit for Britain.

And then the government needs to get on with addressing important issues like improved funding for schools, the NHS and social care.

Angryresister · 23/03/2019 07:27

politically homeless now...no parties apparently competent or conscientious enough . The govt have destroyed Britain through Austerity policies. The opposition has been hopeless even as opposition in not opposing damaging BREXIT. Not to mention the current men's rights approach to destroying women's sex protected rights, the theft of women's pensions etc. A bill to restore voting rights to those living overseas has just been talked out...so much for democracy

LateEaster · 23/03/2019 07:59

Why didn't remainers vote lib Dems in the last election!

It beggars belief but I suppose this last minute panicking is par for the course.

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