If there were another Referendum on Brexit...

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What question(s) would you like to be asked, in hope of getting result you want?

I think mine is something like:
Part 1:
Leave
Remain

Part 2
If the majority choose Leave, would you prefer:

Leave ASAP regardless of withdrawal arrangements

Only leave with a smooth withdrawal arrangement including transition period in place

Yay- there seems to be dialogue and consensus on this thread. At least we agree that in (at least) one poll - a significant percentage of voters were seriously confused between No Brexit and No deal.

Or as I prefer to say they are confused between No breakfast and no deal. In fact no deal may shortly prove a significant obstacle to certain breakfasts.

The confusion about what no Brexit means is a powerful argument Leavers could use to avoid a People's vote.

Although what always mystifies me is why you would want to avoid a vote if you advocate the will of the people? If anyone is so convinced something is the best thing to do they should be confident of demonstrating and testing that?

P.S. I have a question for Leave posters.

The other comments on the thread have strayed a little away from the topic of another ref. However as there are Leavers here please, please can you explain one thing that I never understand?! Bear with me - it's about which countries are seen as a threat and why Russia isn't a factor!

There are comments upthread about EU expenditure on neighbouring countries like Albania,Serbia etc. Those countries are in the (very static and stalled) list for consideration to join the EU trading bloc.

To put figures in context, yes a mere 2.1% of EU budget total is divided between those seven countries who are technically pursuing possible applications to join the bloc one day. The countries mentioned won’t be ready in our lifetimes - or our children's lifetimes. - see link about the 35 chapters that have to be met.

(If we ever reapplied we might be entitled to a share of that 2.1% budget though!)

Surely that 2.1% expenditure is sensible. I think it should be more! Being superficially supportive of countries neighbouring Europe is prudent. Being friendly and keeping neighbours sweet is savvy when those countries also neighbour Russia. Surely Putin is the greater threat?

It fascinates me how people like NF stoke fear about other countries but like Leave posters on here he never addresses Russia. For example take my FIL he genuinely sees The Dutch and Belgians etc as the enemy but he just won't discuss Russia. -Those Belgians swamping us with their chocolates.-

We have had:
•Russian poisonings on U.K. soil. •Regular Russian incursions doing reconnaissance missions in our air and sea space.
•We have more Russian hits on our Parliament reports than U.K. ones!

Why do Leavers like my FIL worry about Germany taking us over but do not take Russian interference seriously? Why is keeping the EUs immediate neighbours sweet with 2.1% of EU money not seen as a bargain insurance policy? Perhaps the Leave posters on here don't mention this as they really are sitting in Moscow somewhere?

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actualfactsnott_feelz

I totally agree re Russia. I have a friend who says she voted Remain but I'm convinced she's a closet leaver, she constantly goes on about us contributing more than some of the little countries. I think that keeping those countries safe and on side is crucial with regards to Russia's ambitions. As you say, I find it extraordinary that the fear of Brussels is greater than of Putin.

lonelyplanetmum
Yay- there seems to be dialogue and consensus on this thread. At least we agree that in (at least) one poll - a significant percentage of voters were seriously confused between No Brexit and No deal.

No - you misunderstood my post - several of the comments on the Sky twitter feed point out that Sky's question (in the poll) was badly phrased/unclear - someone asked why WA wasn't one of the options in the poll - indicating that some people thought they were choosing which Brexit outcome they wanted - remaining in the EU being one of the options.

why Russia isn't a factor!

Just because Russia might be a threat one day doesn't mean we have to move towards a Federal Europe - which is what Germany wants.

There are comments upthread about EU expenditure on neighbouring countries like Albania,Serbia etc. Those countries are in the (very static and stalled) list for consideration to join the EU trading bloc.

The countries mentioned won’t be ready in our lifetimes-or our children's lifetimes.

Not static and stalled at all - reinvigorated it would seem;

www.euractiv.com/section/enlargement/interview/romanian-eu-presidency-to-push-western-balkans-case-minister-says/

Jan 2019
Romania’s EU presidency will push to improve the prospect of membership talks for Western Balkan countries Macedonia (FYROM) and Albania, but only after the European elections in May, the country’s European affairs minister told EURACTIV in an interview.

He said the EU’s enlargement...is high on our agenda, we are the children of enlargement, we know very much the value of enlargement

Ninth meeting of the Accession Conference with Serbia 10th December 2018

With today's Conference, 16 negotiation chapters have now been opened for negotiations out of a total of 35, of which 2 chapters have already been provisionally closed. Further Accession Conferences will be planned, as appropriate, in order to take the process forward in the first half of 2019. The accession negotiations were launched in January 2014.

www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press/press-releases/2018/12/10/ninth-meeting-of-the-accession-conference-with-serbia-at-ministerial-level-brussels-10-december-2018/

Twelfth meeting of the Accession Conference with Montenegro at Ministerial level, Brussels, 10 December 2018

With today's Conference, out of a total of 35 negotiation chapters, 32 chapters have now been opened for negotiations of which 3 chapters have already been provisionally closed. Further Accession Conferences will be planned, as appropriate, in order to take the process forward in the first half of 2019. The accession negotiations were launched in June 2012.

www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press/press-releases/2018/12/10/twelfth-meeting-of-the-accession-conference-with-montenegro-at-ministerial-level-brussels-10-december-2018/