If there were another Referendum on Brexit...

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What question(s) would you like to be asked, in hope of getting result you want?

I think mine is something like:
Part 1:
Leave
Remain

Part 2
If the majority choose Leave, would you prefer:

Leave ASAP regardless of withdrawal arrangements

Only leave with a smooth withdrawal arrangement including transition period in place

If carrying out the 'will of the people' represents economic suicide then a decision needs to be made by people qualified to have a reasonable grasp of the potential risks/benefits.

Yes but the narrative will be that democracy was thwarted by experts. God I wish that Pandora' s box had never been opened...

Basically on the one hand you have people who don't trust parliament or experts. On the other hand, you have people who don't trust the people... It's intractable.

I don't disagree @NoWordForFluffy.

Both sides have proven themselves to be untrustworthy. The politicians for putting party before country and those polled people who think no deal = no Brexit.

I think another referendum would still be a close result though.

Agree with that too @Songsofexperience!

I had a discussion with a friend about the whole approach to Brexit (which was apparently a Tory joke that got out of hand)...
That aside, consider this. If you were planning to go on a journey somewhere would you
a) Find out as much as you can about the destination, plan your journey to allow for mishaps, make sure you had money for the journey (and spare for unforseen circumstances), sufficient food for the duration of the journey, passport, key, phone, etc, OR
b) Walk out of the house and see where that takes you

My concerns are the erosion of the NHS; the ability for so many companies (with vested interests by MPs) to avoid paying tax, thus affecting our economy; the demonising of anyone 'foreign', disabled, or poor; the erosion of human rights (with regard to MH issues a friend has had legal aid withdrawn because of 'cuts'); the decimation of the police forces; the introduction of zero hours contracts; the disregard for the environment....to name but a few.

If people have been misinformed to sway their judgement on making a decision, we should make sure that everyone has the opportunity to be updated on the facts. However, some people seem to wish to be wilfully ignorant. It won't all go away if you don't read about it in the newspapers or watch tv.

I'm so torn - going on the march next Sat as I did the one in October but it's more a way to let the world know how much I don't want this to happen rather than being 100% positive that a PV is the way to go. That survey that showed 26% of respondees thought no deal meant no Brexit didn't exactly fill me with confidence that voters have been thoroughly researching the issue since the last referendum ...

Since apparently around a quarter of the UK voters are not sure what leaving means, and no one agrees exactly how much 'leaving' should be done and therefore has their own views the electorate should not be asked again. When you add in the fact that there is still effects of 'dirty money' providing an influence this should rule a public vote out altogether.
It has only taken since November but some in the HoC seem to have had a glance at the WA (whoop whoop)so I would say that they should be forced to read it in it's entirety, demonstrate they have understood it and then they should have a free vote on it.

I thought Parliament had ruled out a second referendum, along with ruling everything else out

It only seems to be Remainers who are clamouring for Ref2. If it was say 52-48 for Remain, with a lower turnout than in 2016, would that be an end to the matter? I think possibly not.

It's not as simple as one might initially think. There was a European Law expert on QT this week (sorry can't remember her name) who spoke of some of the complexities of a further ref.

I thought Parliament had ruled out a second referendum, along with ruling everything else out

They've not ruled it out. The amendment was not legally binding. The people's vote supporters are hoping to table the 'proper' 2nd ref amendment next week.

They haven't ruled it out, they just haven't ruled it in either. Failing to pass the amendment for it last week doesn't prevent a similar amendment being submitted in future.

An amendment to explicitly rule out another referendum was submitted, but wasn't called for a vote by Bercow.

*Oh sorry, I would like the following on the ballot:

Part one:
Remain and invite EU for scones and jam.
Or
Remain and invite EU for Victoria sponge.

Part 2:
Remain and serve old fashioned lemonade.
Or
Remain and serve raspberry lemonade.*

This version please. I'm voting for scones and jam and old fashioned lemonade.

@Grundtal.... you’re winning at the polls so far.

If the result of a second referendum was leave what happens next?

Then we accept WA, grow the fuck up and leave.

I'm so torn - going on the march next Sat as I did the one in October but it's more a way to let the world know how much I don't want this to happen rather than being 100% positive that a PV is the way to go.

Hear hear I'm not sure about the merits of a people's vote when 26% of likely voters confuse no deal with no breakfast.

However the march next Saturday is a way to show solidarity with all of us who are not happy with the last three years. That'll do for me! Also to show lack of faith that current party first politics could ever produce any improvement.

That survey that showed 26% of respondees thought no deal meant no Brexit
I'm not sure about the merits of a people's vote when 26% of likely voters confuse no deal with no breakfast.

Do you have a link to the poll? I've not seen it.

Given that the referendum result is just an opinion and that opinion was founded on misinformation and very little knowledge of what Brexit would eventually entail, Parliament should now disregard the result as irrelevant to to current situation and revoke article 50.

It's clear that the process will cause a huge amount more damage than the vast majority of people could have imagined and there isn't any way to Brexit that a majority of people think is a good idea.

We just need to chalk this experience up as a huge and very expensive cock-up, get stuck into damage limitation and start prosecuting everyone who lied or broke the funding rules.

I agree, Goldmandra. I have no hope it'll happen though.

{ you have a link to the poll? I've not seen it.}
One of the threads concentrates on polls and charts, I think it is on there. You could of course do a google search, like you did before voting leave, to make sure you had all the best information.

One of the threads concentrates on polls and charts, I think it is on there. You could of course do a google search, like you did before voting leave, to make sure you had all the best information.

I have done a google search - I couldn't find - That survey that showed 26% of respondees thought no deal meant no Brexit.

Does it actually exist?

I've found something on reddit - but it says, "removed-misleading".

Maybe this highlights the issue that people do not know how to search properly and then put the effort into finding other related material that either supports or weakens the points made.
Spoon feeding Leavers (with crap at the time) is what created this mess in the first place. Failure to investigate and think critically.

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Should be easy enough for you or lonelyplanetmum to link to a Sky poll that you are referencing - it's not my reference. I shall ignore it then.

It does seem that a lot of people have little idea of what being in the EU actually means, and what leaving both means and entails.
I saw a friend had posted something on FB recently which outlined the 72 'laws' the UK had had 'forced upon them' by the EU. Several people had said things like "We should be able to make our own decisions", "Nobody should be telling us what to do." Further comments showed that none of the people rejecting these rules/laws had actually read them. All of which were innocuous things, to do with food hygiene, and so forth.
So I don't see how those people are in a position to make any sort of informed decision if they refuse to actually look at any information that relates to it. It's a blinkered attitude.

By the way, I'm in favour of tea, scones, cream and jam and a mahoosive apology to the EU. Perhaps whilst the UK has to surrender it's electronic devices for a week, and do all the washing up.