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And why exactly May is putting her deal for vote for the third time?

56 replies

oreoxoreo · 14/03/2019 19:30

When it was voted down two times already, last time jus two days ago!
Is it democracy??

Neither Brexiteers nor remainers want it, but sheep MPs might be eventually persuaded!

I am furious!

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NoWordForFluffy · 14/03/2019 19:31

Third time lucky?

It's beyond ridiculous now.

Cackleweb · 14/03/2019 19:36

Mrs May is running the clock down, hoping to scare enough MPs into supporting and voting for her deal.

There will be an extention if Parliament agrees to the WA. If not, it's No Deal on 29th March (15 days and counting).

If this one fails on Tuesday, expect another vote on Mrs May's deal on or about 26th March.

excitedtobehere · 14/03/2019 19:43

They voted to delay brexit again today. Hmm The EU need to kick her into touch and stop pandering to her. The UK want to go and they are the only ones dragging their heels. It's time to stop talking and start it in motion. The EU gave their response already.

oreoxoreo · 14/03/2019 19:44

And for her to say 2nd referendum would be undemocratic? 😡 this is all beyond belief.

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Yaralie · 14/03/2019 19:47

I just hope that our MPs do not pander to May's nonsense. She wants to prevent the British people having a second say after three years yet she thinks she can go back to the HOC after a week or less and get a different answer to the same question. She is deranged and dangerous.

FriarTuck · 14/03/2019 19:47

Because the EU won't give us another deal, to avoid crashing out with no deal, and because there are some MPs who are playing silly buggers and who will vote for it in due course but like to feel important.
Hopefully the EU will say Non to extending the time limit so MPs have to pull their fingers out and agree the deal next week (or leave no deal by default).

SummerSazz · 14/03/2019 19:49

No deal is off the table now after last night's vote. So it's:

  • extend (eu countries all have to agree and I believe Spain has said it will veto). Question is what for??
  • agree to TM's deal
  • revoke Article 50 and stay
1tisILeClerc · 14/03/2019 19:51

{And why exactly May is putting her deal for vote for the third time?}
Partly because so few seem to have read the WA and understood it. They are gradually waking up to it.
There are only 3 choices. Revoke (very unlikely), pass the WA and go into a transition period during which the real terms of leaving can be modified (this can't be done before it is signed), or to crash out.
The default is crash out on 29 March unless Mrs May says either revoke or signs the WA.
All the rest is theatre.
Talk of extension is simply a diversion, what is needed is to chose one of the 3 options.

FriarTuck · 14/03/2019 19:51

The vote last night wasn't binding.

1tisILeClerc · 14/03/2019 19:54

While no deal has been removed as the HoC choice, unfortunately the legal position (internationally) is that it will still happen 'accidentally' if Mrs May does not chose one of the other 2 options.

SummerSazz · 14/03/2019 19:56

I thought removing the 'no deal' as an option was to be enshrined in law after the votes last night. Not sure if this has happened though

1tisILeClerc · 14/03/2019 20:03

UK law can't override international law so although in theory Mrs May can't decide to make it happen, no deal can happen by default.

FedUpOfBrexit · 14/03/2019 20:05

Why will Spain veto?

oreoxoreo · 14/03/2019 20:08

Voting for the same again and again is unlawful:
news.sky.com/story/an-ancient-rule-means-bercow-could-take-drastic-action-on-brexit-11664555

If that happens it will makes us unlawful state.

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SummerSazz · 14/03/2019 20:10

Well she's committed to not having a no deal scenario, so if mp's don't agree to the deal or the eu don't extend then she'd have to revoke Article 50......

I do get that if she doesn't then by default it's no deal

oreoxoreo · 14/03/2019 20:15

What I am saying it seems to be unlawful, I wonder why no one at all picks up on that?

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1tisILeClerc · 14/03/2019 20:17

{If that happens it will makes us unlawful state.}
It is a UK law not international so if the UK wants to break it no other country will seriously challenge it. Since many things in the constitution are open to a bit of interpretation, a bit of 'sleight of hand' could be used.
Although they haven't been invoked yet there are probably other considerations that would overrule it. Maybe if Mr Bercow stands on one leg and touches his nose with his right thumb it becomes exempt.

Spain has interest in reclaiming Gibraltar so could use a veto to force discussions, it was suggested a few months back. French and fishing rights, and there will be others who might take advantage of the UK's weakness.

Tomtontom · 14/03/2019 20:18

Well she's committed to not having a no deal scenario,

She committed to not having a snap election. Then called a snap election.

She hasn't the first idea of what she's doing. But she doesn't really care because she'll still be rich whatever happens.

oreoxoreo · 14/03/2019 20:22

Well I'd say it is pretty clear from the Commons rule book.

And why exactly May is putting her deal for vote for the third time?
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1tisILeClerc · 14/03/2019 20:32

{Well I'd say it is pretty clear from the Commons rule book.}
This is the case, but some may argue that the situation is getting close to national suicide so desperate measures can be taken.
There are tricks like declaring a national emergency and calling for marshal law, which suspends everybody except the cabinet. There are emergency 'Henry VIII' powers that allow almost total control by the elected PM. The likes of the ERG are rummaging through statute books to find legal levers to force Theresa's hand.
While most of these are unlikely they are possible. 2 years ago people weren't thinking of stockpiling baked beans and medication.

Ofitck · 14/03/2019 20:38

Spain won’t veto. Read pM Sanchez’ statement in el país yesterday (it’s in English). They have a lot of Brits resident and there are countless Spaniards working in the NHS. WRT Gibraltar, there’s an election coming up and grumbling about Gibraltar is always a domestic vote winner. Nothing more.

StealthPolarBear · 14/03/2019 20:39

On another thread posters are saying no deal will be committed in law.
So much different information.

1tisILeClerc · 14/03/2019 20:49

Ofitck
Probably not but with politics it is often the threat of doing something, just look at the last 3 years of crap in the UK.
The tabloids are saying that staying in the EU is a THREAT to the UK.
Most on these threads would quite like to remain so don't see that as a threat.

Jsmith99 · 14/03/2019 21:00

May called parliament’s bluff today. They had the opportunity to take control of the Brexit process by voting for the Benn amendment but the useless, spineless idiots completely bottled it. MPs say they want all manner of things, but what they all really want is for their opponents to take the blame for this utter fiasco.

May will hold a loaded gun to the heads of the DUP & ERG next week. They will whinge about ‘blackmail’, and they will have a point, but they will vote for it.

1tisILeClerc · 14/03/2019 21:21

{They will whinge about ‘blackmail’, and they will have a point, but they will vote for it.}
Since a crash out would be catastrophic, and revoke is very unlikely it sounds good to me. Delays only kill off industry even more than has happened so far.

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