And why exactly May is putting her deal for vote for the third time?

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When it was voted down two times already, last time jus two days ago!
Is it democracy??

Neither Brexiteers nor remainers want it, but sheep MPs might be eventually persuaded!

I am furious!

Think of how a firm like BMW is going to treat the latest carrying-ons. They brought forward the scheduled planned maintenance shut down from July, to April. Workers there had already begun to make plans for the July shut down and it fitted well with school holidays. Then they had to replan holidays, and replan child care to work around April. And now, what exactly both for management and workers?

However you voted, it's a pretty disgraceful way to run a country.

Based on how MP's voted last night I think it will be third time luck for May's deal. Let's hope the other 27 EU members do not object to a delay.

God this whole fiasco boils my piss. Its abundantly clear that the majority of parliament don't want Brexit in any way, shape or form. Which, considering the lunacy they have displayed in recent months may come as a surprise to some.

What gets me, so much, is that both sides of the house are putting party before country. We're losing jobs hand over fist but somehow maintaining those few votes in the Hoc is more important than ensuring that people are able to feed their families. I've lost faith in all political parties.

I'm relying on the EU granting an extension on the condition of another referendum. At least then people will know what sort of exit from the EU they're voting for.

But anyway. A referendum is only advisory.

What gets me, so much, is that both sides of the house are putting party before country. We're losing jobs hand over fist but somehow maintaining those few votes in the Hoc is more important than ensuring that people are able to feed their families

MP's have behaved in that manner since time began. That's why I don't bother to vote on anything. Seldom, if ever, does UK government deliver what it promises.

@BeersTonigh2000 yes I can't argue with that. But this is different. This is bloody crucial, this isn't just the futures of people in South Wales or Nottinghamshire or Northumberland. This isn't the miner's strike. This will quite literally affect everyone and I have nothing but respect for an MP who for once, recognises that actually their poxy party means fuck all if the country is brought to a standstill.

The vote last night wasn't binding.

Npr was the referendum

MP who for once, recognises that actually their poxy party means fuck all if the country is brought to a standstill

They don't care if country comes to a standstill as they will still have their jobs that pay £77K and expenses and pensions all of which comes from taxes paid by the average person in the street.

Nobody trusts MP's. That is why there is poor turnouts at elections. I laugh when some say that the turnout for the 2016 referendum was huge at 72%. Very poor turnout in my view considering the significance of the vote and the future consequences.

So why did the other 28% not vote? Was it that they don't care if vote was leave or remain or was it they don't trust MP's to deliver? I would say it was the later.

Even the most pro brexit MP, Jacob Rees Mogg, has estimated that it will take about 50 years for the full benefit of Brexit to be felt by UK. Fat lot of good that is anyone. Even my youngest child will be 65 then.

If her deal gets through this third time why do we need to delay? Yes there will only be nine days left but last time there would still have only been about twenty days left, I can't believe either of those time periods are enough, yet clearly last time it was.

I voted Remain. I'd support WA. I don't care how big a game of "chicken " she's had to play, it's the only way we do the thing I didn't vote for: Leave. It doesn't fuck up GFA, it doesn't fuck business or agriculture.

Stealth, if it passes we then need time to put the necessary legislation in place (WAIB) hence calling it a 'technical' extension.

I find it hars to believe we wouldn't have needed that time if it had been agreed two weeks earlier, ie this week. What has changed?

Nothing. We always needed that extension at this late stage. But they've left it to the last minute to request it.

The deadline to agree the WA and not need the extension was October.

Ah right thank you that's interesting so even if it had all gone smoothly in January or whatever we could have still faced Jo deal if the EU rejected the extension.
Is it just me or has everything been done in the wrong order?

{Based on how MP's voted last night I think it will be third time luck for May's deal. Let's hope the other 27 EU members do not object to a delay.}
As has just been posted, if it is passed and the UK officially leaves on 29 March then a 'delay' would be to get some housekeeping done. Declaring an exit on 29 March is only the START of a 2 or 3 year period of negotiation to fill in and perhaps modify parts of the WA to steer the UK to be either more 'extreme leave' or a bit more 'remain with customs and single market agreements, something the UK will NEED.
Of course the UK will have to start these negotiations with a clear focus on purpose. In this respects the UK is fucked as it will take a year to decide anything.
Meanwhile at least food and meds can arrive as they do now.
JiT industry will probably be moving out gradually but maybe 'Leavers' should have thought about that.

{Is it just me or has everything been done in the wrong order?}

It all went 'tits up' from the moment the initial referendum result came in. There was NO 'leave' plan. Of course, realising the catastrophe that would unfold, opportunists like the ERG capitalised on it immediately.

There will be an extention if Parliament agrees to the WA. If not, it's No Deal on 29th March (15 days and counting).

The no deal vote was won by 4 votes. The 3rd outing of the WA amounts to another no deal vote.

I am fully expecting that in 15 days the UK will crash out. There is no other viable option as a extension won't get granted, and Revoke won't happen

Why do you think there won't be an extension

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An extension will require all 27 members to approve it. Spain has already said that it won't, they are pissed off about Gibraltar. Italy, is expected to say no also.

Lots of confusion on here.

The deal will get more support as it is now clear it is this or a lengthy delay of two years and possibly no brexit. So many MPs may now vote for it. Inc many of the erg who are saying they will.as opposed to having no brexit.

The attorney general is reconsidering his legal advice, and may add to it saying that if the back stop threatens the good Friday agreement, we can unilaterally exit. And if he does, the dup May support it,

At this stage no one knows if it will pass or not, we need to wait till next week. If it does it will be tight.

The governments rationale for bringing it back is it has changed, the amendment the Eu gave us with additional responses, and possibly the legal interpretation, in addition there is support for it to be brought back. I understand though Bercow is saying this is it, after this, it is dead if it does not pass, he will not permit it a fourth time.

As for no deal, it's dead, we won't leave with no deal. We will have either a short technical extension of three months if the deal is passed to get it into legislation (there is over 600 statutes alone to be changed) or a two year delay to change strategy, or indeed we will revoke if the lengthy extension is not granted, however this is very unlikely.

There is only two things we can be sure of at this stage. We are not leaving on thr 29 March, and we will not leave with no deal ever.

I think there will be an extension

So the last two posts contradict each other. Bluntness saying we won't leave on the 29th and the next poster saying an extension will not be allowed. I think the only truth is nothing is certainm

We won't leave on the 29 th stealth, the eu has already confirmed a short tech extension if a deal is agreed is a given.

The longer extension is what is is not so sure. It's likely this will be granted, it's in everyone's interests to grant it. If they do not, we would need to revoke, as no deal is not an option. We can revoke any time up until the last min literally,

It is unlikely though the eu 27 will reject the extension, it's in their interests for us to not do so. Inc Spain and France.

So how does rhat reconcile with the people saying certain countries will definitely veto

If it's a technical extension as the WA is passed, they will agree it as it would be churlish not to.

If it has to be the longer one, I don't think we can be sure on that one. If they said no, that's when we'd probably have a fourth bloody vote on the WA or they'd have to consider revoking it May wanted to avoid being in contempt for failing to avoid no deal, as voted on this week.

I don't agree with the optimism re no deal, quite frankly. It could still technically happen, regardless of the vote result.

I thought Bercow had said no to a 4th vote? He's on shaky ground as it is with a third, but the various votes and amendments have changed the mood of Parliament if not the detail of the WA.