Anyone changed their minds

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Did anyone vote leave and now wishes they had voted remain?

Or voted Remain and think leaving is a good idea now?

I don't think no matter if your a leave or remain supporter the one thing we can agree on is that the leave process is an absolute mess.
It seems we are getting closer to another referendum but will it make any difference?
I have a scary picture I'm my head that has a no deal exit voted against, a referendum called and then the outcome is still leave. That leaves the uk in a worse place than we out now and still no solutions.

I know both remain and leave voters IRL and they all would vote as they did in the first referendum in there was another vote.

I want there to be a resolution soon but I think it's going to drag on for a while!!

Although I don't think we will ever actually end up leaving

It will be a watered down Brexit if a deal is required.

The alternative is leave with No Deal. Nothing on the 2016 ballot paper that mentioned deals.

Missed a vital word there... who WE are given the opportunity to vote for.

Just to remind everyone @MissedTheBoatAgain hasn't lived in the UK or EU for 30 years. 🐝

Just to remind everyone @MissedTheBoatAgain hasn't lived in the UK or EU for 30 years, but is a UK citizen with properties in; England, Scotland and Eastern Europe.

So how does our membership of the EU affect you adversely @MissedTheBoatAgain? What makes you so passionate that we leave? When you don't live here and are obviously doing pretty well economically?

UK is used a dumping ground for refugees and asylum seekers.

This is not even a little bit true. We take hardly any refugees or asylum seekers, especially compared to our European neighbours.

Just to remind everyone @MissedTheBoatAgain hasn't lived in the UK or EU for 30 years, but is a UK citizen with properties in; England, Scotland and Eastern Europe.

I asked this on another thread but will try again here. Did you actually vote in the 2016 referendum or do you just support Brexit?

missedtheboat your ignorance is astounding and your refuse to make an effort to understand the basic difference between immigration and refugees is culpable. Being an economic migrant yourself, you should know the freaking difference!!! I’m sorry for the poor country that’s now taking you in. You might bring taxes, you might bring a good accent, but you bring also the attitude of a fascist....

God I never insulted anyone online, that’s how low you bring me, with your “call them how you want”.
In case you wanted to know facts: asylum seekers and refugees are a tiny % of population compared to the rest of eu

Ive got a theory. These characters that pop up in these public platforms are actually experiments of students or researchers of psychology in some university that are using us as case studies, to see how best to provoke average people and how to stoke animosity. I clearly fell in the trap very quickly, misstheboat must be one hell of a PhD student, top grades.
I struggle to believe that a travelled mature ad educated person can be so stupid....

I'm pretty sure there have been paid trolls promoting Brexit on Mumsnet (since before the referendum). I've been away for a while so haven't seen Missed before.

Missed bobbed up about a week ago to mansplain about treaties between the English and Irish governments thus showing that he hadn't a clue about what he was talking about.

Did you actually vote in the 2016 referendum or do you just support Brexit?

I did not vote as left the UK in May 2016, but support and understand why people voted leave.

This is not even a little bit true. We take hardly any refugees or asylum seekers, especially compared to our European neighbours

So who are all those people in Calais trying to enter UK either via the tunnel or hiding in goods vehicle or in some cases trying to sail across the channel?

But you've been away for 30 years??
At least do us the courtesy to get your story straight

I clearly fell in the trap very quickly, misstheboat must be one hell of a PhD student, top grades

Going in the right direction Cherin

Missedtheboat, if you don't live in the UK and haven't for 30 years but still vote here (?) then what does that make you? Maybe we should call you whatever we fancy without knowing your individual circumstances.

Ah, ok - never answers direct questions, just repeats generalisations. Not worth my time.

So who are all those people in Calais trying to enter UK either via the tunnel or hiding in goods vehicle or in some cases trying to sail across the channel?

They're ILLEGALS, people the UK is not inviting in so they get smuggled into the country illegally. Not hard to understand. Legal immigrants go through border control, not the back of a lorry.

At least do us the courtesy to get your story straight

Never said I voted in 2016, but argued that due to quirks in the way people are treated as UK resident or not would have enabled me to vote. Some have assumed that I did vote.

Going in the right direction Cherin

Ha, admits he's a paid troll.

Let's stop feeding him. He's having too much fun.

I've been away for a while so haven't seen Missed before

I joined last year.

Returning to the original question, I have not changed my view.

We should remain in the EU.

I can't see a single good reason to leave it. The prospect of leaving is so sad.

Ha, admits he's a paid troll

Not a troll. An arbitrator and sometimes a cross examiner of Expert Witnesses during arbitration hearings. Been successful several times in having witnesses removed from hearings due to them losing tempers by being asked what they consider to be the same question or by my perceived ignorance. ie winding them up.

We should remain in the EU

Maybe it will happen. However, what do you say to the 17.4 million who voted to leave? Remember leave was the majority even if it was only by a small margin.

I can't see a single good reason to leave it. The prospect of leaving is so sad

Even JRM who seems to the most pro leave MP has acknowledged that it would take about 50 years for UK to feel the full benefit of Brexit. So it was never going to be an overnight fix with instant benefits. Even the so called Brexit dividend of not paying 350 million per week after leaving EU has been bitten into by the estimated cost of Brexit to the UK of between 500 and 700 million per week.

UK Politics seems to concentrate on the negatives. So those who advocate remaining in the EU have a vested interest in scaremongering and creating the impression that it will be instant doom. UK was supposed to disappear off the map immediately if the vote was to leave. Did not happen.

EU will lose out too if Brexit happens as UK is the 3rd largest doner to the EU pot. They would not have attempted to block it if they had nothing to lose. However, being realistic I would say UK will take longer to recovery from Brexit than the other 27 Countries of EU.