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To be devastated that TM has secured these new legally binding documents...

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Crimson72 · 12/03/2019 09:47

...because it basically means that JRM’s lot and the DUP will finally throw their weight behind the PM and her new deal - and Brexit WILL go ahead on the 29th.

I was hoping JRM/the DUP would vote against the PM for a second time tonight, which would almost certainly have meant a delay to article 50 and made it far more likely that the whole thing just wouldn’t happen at all.

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NoWordForFluffy · 12/03/2019 15:37

We would have to do something radical to salvage something, anything.

Well, not exactly. If we revoke we carry on in the EU on the same terms we already have. Yes, we've damaged our reputation, but we won't be penalised in our membership terms as we haven't left yet.

myrtleWilson · 12/03/2019 15:40

If we revoke - with the EU it will be just like Bobby Ewing getting out of the shower Grin

HeyCarrieAnneWhatsYourGame · 12/03/2019 15:42

Been watching BBC Parliament this afternoon and TM looks deeply fed up. Hope it doesn’t go through and whole thing goes to hell.

NoWordForFluffy · 12/03/2019 15:43

If we revoke - with the EU it will be just like Bobby Ewing getting out of the shower

😂😂😂

havingtochangeusernameagain · 12/03/2019 15:49

It was scathing about the UK and everything they said was true.
We see Brexit through a UK bubble and it's clear were no longer trusted. We would have to do something radical to salvage something, anything

That in itself shows a remarkable lack of intelligence. The current sh*tstorm is 100% caused by the current "government". To conflate one group of politicians with the entire country is very very stupid. We could have a GE and vote in a very different group of politicians who would have a different mindset. The problem we currently have is that all the parties are useless. If that were to change, we might have a very different story.

BettySundaes · 12/03/2019 15:55

If WA is rejected, as expected, No Deal is the current default position. If MP's vote against it the only way forward for TM is revoke or request an extension.

Revoke is unlikely as it leaves no real resolution but a two year bad dream that even Bobby Ewing would struggle to shake off!

If TM asks for an extension it has to be with a specific goal in mind as this is the EU's "full and final offer" - which can only be another referendum. It's the most sensible way forward.

BettySundaes · 12/03/2019 15:59

In my ideal world, following a successful PV and remain overwhelming supported we need a GE with a complete clear out of the old guard on the left and right.

We need new and innovative solutions to deal with the problems that arose pre-referendum which caused the mess we are in now.

time4chocolate · 12/03/2019 16:42

Bell - if we carry on and brexit, the divisions in the country will never heal, 16m (if not more now) will lose out completely as their opinions are discarded, with no representation or ability to rejoin the EU, at least in their life times

Oh well, that's alright then jas but what about the other 17m that will have their opinions discarded and their vote effectively ignored. Doesn't sound like a way to heal society to me.

DGRossetti · 12/03/2019 16:51

if tonight’s vote is rejected, and the no deal vote tomorrow is rejected, then on Friday parliament will have a vote on whether to extend. It doesn’t automatically mean no deal.

The UK has no say whatsoever in whether it gets an extension. It needs all 27 EU countries to agree to it, or it doesn't happen.

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Crimson72 · 12/03/2019 17:03

"In my ideal world, following a successful PV and remain overwhelming supported we need a GE with a complete clear out of the old guard on the left and right. We need new and innovative solutions to deal with the problems that arose pre-referendum which caused the mess we are in now."

That sounds wonderful Betty, but sadly I don't believe it will ever happen.

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Theworldisfullofgs · 12/03/2019 17:29

havingtochange

Oh ffs, I've precised the email. Read scathing about UK to be scathing about our government and parliament.

Though if he met my sister he'd be scathing about the UK.

DGRossetti · 12/03/2019 17:37

Oh well, that's alright then jas but what about the other 17m that will have their opinions discarded and their vote effectively ignored

Any chance the 16 million could join the 17 million, make 33 million, and evict the entire crop of useless MPs we have for a new political paradigm ?

No, didn't think so. As you were ....

Colourpencils · 12/03/2019 18:03

I just want Laura Kuensberg shunted to the far end of beyond..

time4chocolate · 12/03/2019 18:06

I'd like nothing more than to kick the whole lot out but, alas, not going to happen, we're stuck with them.

Nat6999 · 12/03/2019 18:19

Doesn't anyone think that if her deal gets rejected again, it's time for Theresa May to resign & for a general election? Then each party can make their proposals for Brexit part of their election mandate.

DGRossetti · 12/03/2019 18:44

Doesn't anyone think that if her deal gets rejected again, it's time for Theresa May to resign & for a general election? Then each party can make their proposals for Brexit part of their election mandate.

If that were to happen, the UK crashes out without any transition.

Doubletrouble99 · 12/03/2019 18:48

62/63

Nat6999 · 12/03/2019 19:06

It doesn't mean we crash out with no deal, if there is any major political unrest like a general election, under Article 50, Brexit can be suspended until after the election.

Jason118 · 12/03/2019 20:31

@Nat6999 no it doesn't.

Colourpencils · 12/03/2019 20:37

That's wrong Nat we have to get permission to extend. The default is that we crash out with No Deal at 10.59pm on Fri 29th March as it stands.

Pengrin · 12/03/2019 20:40

Can someone please explain how revoking would work? As in, what would need to happen to get to that point?

I can’t believe TM still has the energy for this. If I was her, I’d have given up long ago in favour of an early night with a brew in bed knowing there’s a book deal on the table should I need it.

jasjas1973 · 12/03/2019 21:13

time4choclate

The difference is that Leavers can always vote for UKIP or the Brexit party, who can either form a Govt or be part of a coalition and trigger A50 again and have a no-deal brexit, that is the way it should be done, not on a referendum, they can all vote for this in 2022 at the very latest.

If we brexit now, for remainers, that is it, there will be no rejoin, whoever we vote for.

Nat6999 · 12/03/2019 21:29

One of the conditions for extending Article 50 is if the country is going through major political unrest, a general election falls in this category.

myrtleWilson · 12/03/2019 21:34

Regardless of the "need" for A50 - it needs bilateral agreement - so UK and EU members agreeing it.

Re revoking - as far as the EU goes all the UK parliament/prime minister needs to do is say "we revoke A50" - the process to get to that point internally is different - we would either need parliament to agree a motion to revoke or go back to a public vote to say we've changed our minds therefore the public mandates parliament to revoke A50

mellongoose · 12/03/2019 21:49

One of the conditions for extending Article 50 is if the country is going through major political unrest, a general election falls in this category.

Parliament has to vote for a GE. 2/3, I believe. As we know, Parliament cannot agree on anything at the moment.

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