To be devastated that TM has secured these new legally binding documents...

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...because it basically means that JRM’s lot and the DUP will finally throw their weight behind the PM and her new deal - and Brexit WILL go ahead on the 29th.

I was hoping JRM/the DUP would vote against the PM for a second time tonight, which would almost certainly have meant a delay to article 50 and made it far more likely that the whole thing just wouldn’t happen at all.

We are too far in to revoke now sadly. We won’t be allowed to just say “nah we have changed our minds” and carry on like before.

@Dongdingdong , I live in a strong Leave voting area. I dread to think about the reaction to Revoke would be here. Lots of Free Tommy Robinson stickers/graffiti all over the place.

There are no good options left, sadly. The least worst would be a people's vote and remain/or customs union leave as that respects democracy without completely shredding the union or the economy.

I suspect we are about to crash out, though. :-(

I suspect we are about to crash out, though. :-(

I think the chances of crashing out are quite slim now, thank god. If MPs don't vote through TM's deal tonight (and it seems highly likely that they won't) then tomorrow, they will vote on whether to leave with no deal. If they vote that no deal is simply not an option (which they almost certainly will) then it means that if we get to 28th March and we're still in deadlock, TM will have no choice but to revoke in accordance with MPs' vote tomorrow.

Civil unrest would be the least of our problems if we were to revoke. There is no way we would ever be taken seriously as a democratic country again, investors would of course leave in droves, trust in the political structures would fold, and be replaced with what? There would be no trust all between the government and the people. A much bigger crisis would unfold, brexit would be the least of our problems in this scenario.

A second ref would have no credibility whatsoever.

I don't see any other way forward.

OP the government do not need to act on the vote tomorrow, they can just 'note' the result. It will not change the law, and the law states that we are leaving in seventeen days time.

I would have some faith restored if we did revoke - it would mean that the Government were seeking to do what was best for the country, rather than be guided by populism or self-interest.

OP the government do not need to act on the vote tomorrow, they can just 'note' the result. It will not change the law, and the law states that we are leaving in seventeen days time.

Oh, I didn't realise that Springwalk In that case, what is even the point of tomorrow's votes?

I thought if the votes over the next three days where all “unsuccessful” then the default went to leave with no deal?

The EU have said all along that if we want to revoke it is within our gift to do so. If we leave and then wish to rejoin there would be new expectations of us. But I think "legally'" if we revoke there would be no immediate change to our membership of the EU - there may well be a bit of eye rolling and any future discussions about opt ins and opt outs may not be as accommodating in the future.....

Looks like the latest version of the deal is dead on arrival.

I agree with the above poster that cancelling Brexit would empower the extreme right. But you know what? I don’t care. Brexit WAS the revolution of England’s arseholes. What are they going to do? Riot and smash their own cities? On you go.

It’s clear that the vote tonight will be a no. Then a vote tomorrow will exclude a hard Brexit. So we’ll be heading towards a postponement. This will likely cause May to be ousted, and MIGHT result in a general election.

What then? Incredibly, the Tories still command a majority in the polls. Although quite how people could still think them to be canny financial pragmatists after this shitshow is beyond me. My 5 year old has better reasoning power than the average Tory MP.

Not that Labour are any better. Just a bunch of in-fighting moral cowards. They don’t even have the guts to oppose Brexit. Electing them instead of the Tories won’t make a difference.

The only way out is a second referendum. But our political class (and I use that term flexibly) are too self-serving and short-sighted to support it. A second referendum will likely result in us remaining in the EU. Which I’d be happy with, even if the idiots then become even more fascistic than they already are.

@Springwalk you don't know your political history. The most populist governments, who enact the 'will of the people' tend to be dictatorships. Perons for example. Because they have no mandate and have to, for fear of being usurped.

Democracies tend towards (if they are decent) being elected then doing what is in the interests of the people, rather than what the people say they want. Because we elect them as professionals, who actually understand the legal, economic and political consequences of policies better than us.

The referendum was ADVISORY and had it not been it would have been thrown out as ILLEGAL. So either way there is no onus, democratic or otherwise, to respect it.

Yes, the government doesn't have to do anything on non legally binding votes, but if her deal fails and then tomorrow the vote on rejecting no deal goes through then the routes are really only revoke, extension or general election. She couldn't just ignore the will of the house on these issues.

I'm a staunch remainer, but I'm in NI - I would happily accept the WA at this stage rather than the worry that we will leave with No Deal (through sheer incompetence and mismanagement) and every facet of life as I know it will change.

Looks like the latest version of the deal is dead on arrival.

Yep. ERG say they won’t support. DUP ditto.

I don’t see how this passes. More likely to lose by about 100 votes.

Chaos will ensue. Will it be better than TM’s compromise deal or much much worse?No one knows.

Uncertainty in itself is doing huge damage to British business and worse the longer it lasts.

DUP have said they are going to vote against.

Were not seen as a credible country now. I got a very honest email from a French person I know to my question. It was scathing about the UK and everything they said was true.

We see Brexit through a UK bubble and it's clear were no longer trusted. We would have to do something radical to salvage something, anything.

Its completely depressing and seeing what my leave voting sister puts out there, it's clear her view is about winning. What that is, I dont think she could tell me. It's just about winning. And its certainly not winning friends and influencing people.

Chaos.

Either Revoke or No Deal would lead to terrible unrest

Give me strength! Who? the vast majority of Leavers have lost all interest in Brexit.
A hardcore brexitier said exactly the same as you the other evening, i asked if he would riot... "No, i've a mortgage and a job" & Gammons are not fit enough to outrun the Police lol!

Lets see what happens on Farages sponsored walk or his new party shall we?

We should be acting in the best long term interests of the country and its youth, not some moronic thugs from the EDL who are on the rise because of non EU migration, esp Muslim migration, any Brexit, no-deal or revoke will not placate these racists.

I think Revoke is as likely to lead to unrest as No Deal. Outside the Mumsnet world, that is.

But @jasjas1973 , as one Remain voter to another, you must accept that even the perception of ignoring the Brexit vote is bad for the country. No, I doubt grumpy gammons will kick off, but that kind of "betrayal of the will of the people " (yes, I know, I know) will create a bad political environment which is ripe for further exploitation by extremists.

I think any unrest would be short lived. I think if we go ahead they'll be unrest and seething resentment for years.

And most people will deny they ever voted leave.

@Crimson - if tonight’s vote is rejected, and the no deal vote tomorrow is rejected, then on Friday parliament will have a vote on whether to extend. It doesn’t automatically mean no deal.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-politics-46393399

What could happen next

The temptation to resign must be getting high for TM-how old is she now?!

Bell - if we carry on and brexit, the divisions in the country will never heal, 16m (if not more now) will lose out completely as their opinions are discarded, with no representation or ability to rejoin the EU, at least in their life times.

What are workers (leave or remain) going to feel when they lose basic worker rights in years to come? suffer higher import costs? lose environmental protection?
Who trusts the tories on any of these things?

Nothing any Leaver voted for in 2016 is going happen, other than they'll lose out.

However, hardly likely May will revoke, so perhaps we are heading for another PV, at least this would be something the electorate could then decide on, based on firm choices - WA or Remain.