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Westminstenders: Competitive Stupidity

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RedToothBrush · 10/02/2019 16:00

A week of wondering which MP is going to be the most dumb.

There is stiff competition between parties and remain / leave.

Expect incredible bids of ignorance and incompetence to curl your toes, with a bit of constitutional craziness thrown in for good measure.

Valentine's Day beckons...

... And so does the No Deal Divorce.

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lonelyplanetmum · 12/02/2019 11:02

Here's some Brueghel, if you like your apocalypse medieval.

Love the fact we did poetry and now it's Art! 🖼

Jericho1 · 12/02/2019 11:03

I can't help thinking it's a bit like another Bruegel painting, DGRosetti of Icarus falling into the sea while the peasantry look the other way.

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DGRossetti · 12/02/2019 11:05

I'd love to see the word unforeseeable challenged in a court...

Sounds like it will happen.

Interesting case ... the company might have been compelled to start legal proceedings under fear of being sued by shareholders, if it looks like they weren't doing all they could to protect the shareholders interests.

Which, I imagine (?) will be the impetus behind a lot of court cases against the government in the next few years....

lonelyplanetmum · 12/02/2019 11:08

For some reason Money's Turkeys at Montgeron came to mind.

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Jericho1 · 12/02/2019 11:10

a lot of court cases against the government in the next few years

Hand up who thinks we will still have a recognisable/ functioning legal system in a few months?

One wonders what laws will the Brexit Legal System be based.

lonelyplanetmum · 12/02/2019 11:11

Not money- Monet.

Although money and Monets are going to be in short supply.

Hey, we could sell off stuff in the National gallery- how long would that slow down our economic fall for ?

RedToothBrush · 12/02/2019 11:11

Which, I imagine (?) will be the impetus behind a lot of court cases against the government in the next few years....

I seem to remember it being said a long long time ago that Brexit meant the government being sued. A lot.

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RedToothBrush · 12/02/2019 11:13

Hand up who thinks we will still have a recognisable/ functioning legal system in a few months?

In dec/ early jan the secret barrister was tweeting about dates for criminal court cases being set... For Jan 2020. Already. Due to a shortage of availability of court hours due to closure of many.

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Jericho1 · 12/02/2019 11:18

That Secret Barrister book is what I meant. RedToothBrush. Also the HO is already operating with a somewhat nuanced approach to immigration and human rights law. Plus, there are industrial quantities of Statutory Instruments being nodded through in back rooms at HOC right now.......

It's law, but not as you've known it, Jim.

RedToothBrush · 12/02/2019 11:19

news.sky.com/story/bbc-cameraman-violently-attacked-during-trump-rally-11635138?dcmp=snt-sf-twitter
BBC cameraman 'violently attacked' during Trump rally
The cameraman was given a "very hard shove" by a Trump supporter after the president attacked the media during his speech.

Washington correspondent Gary O'Donoghue said Mr Trump had "repeatedly goaded" the crowd and attacked the media beforehand.

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RedToothBrush · 12/02/2019 11:20

somewhat nuanced approach

Nice euphemism for unlawful. Just be blunt about it.

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SalrycLuxx · 12/02/2019 11:21

Employment tribunal cases started now are getting preliminary hearing dates (for the initial case management) for the end of the year. Final hearings are expected to not occur before end 2020.

DGRossetti · 12/02/2019 11:21

In dec/ early jan the secret barrister was tweeting about dates for criminal court cases being set... For Jan 2020.

Justice delayed is justice denied

#Justicedelayedjusticedenied ...

BigChocFrenzy · 12/02/2019 11:22

Chatham House: Europe’s take on Brexit

Important conclusions that the EU will NOT work with the UK on a "managed No Deal"

https://www.chathamhouse.org/publications/twt/europe-s-take-brexit

It is rare to find a European policy these days that the German chancellor, the French president and the prime ministers of Hungary, Italy, Poland and Sweden can all agree on.

Brexit is the exception.

While the British political elite is tearing itself apart over how to leave the European Union,
the EU-27 have been remarkably united in their approach to the negotiations.

This unity derives from a clear negotiation mandate by the 27 heads of state and government,
a close coordination by the EU Commission
– and four common European interests.
....
the EU-27 decided early on that only the EU Commission would conduct the talks with Britain.

When the 27 leaders meet to discuss Brexit, Theresa May has to leave the room.

German Chancellor Angela Merkel in particular was adamant that there should be no bilateral talks with the British.

Thus, whenever Juncker, Tusk or Barnier speak to the British about Brexit,
they have the full weight of Berlin, Paris, Rome et al behind them.
....
Viewed from Berlin, Brussels or Paris, the worst possible outcome is not a no-deal Brexit, but the unravelling of the single market.

A Brexit deal that allowed Britain preferential access to the EU’s single market without the accompanying obligations would potentially give UK companies unfair competitive advantages
and rip apart the careful political comprise underpinning the single market.

As a result the EU-27 firmly rejected Theresa May’s ‘Chequers plan’ proposing that the UK have preferential access to the single market for goods only.

Even German industry has repeatedly stressed that despite the importance of the British market, big as it is,
the integrity of the EU’s single market is far more important to them.
...
From a European perspective, there is also a strong asymmetry in the trading relationship.

The EU-27 together are by far the most important trading partner of the UK,
accounting for roughly 44 per cent of its exports,
with the US at 18 per cent in a distant second place.

the UK accounts for about 13.5 per cent of Irish trade
and sits at well below 10 per cent for the rest of the EU-27
....
In the Brexit talks it is necessary for the EU to show that it is willing to protect the interests of all its members,
be they large or small.
....
The impression from the continent is, however, that the Brexiters in Westminster will never be satisfied with the withdrawal agreement,
and thus the combination of Article 50’s ticking clock and the threat of a no-deal exit is the only way to get to an orderly Brexit.
....
At the same time, the EU-27 are stepping up their ‘no deal’-preparations.
.....
Brussels and the national capitals have already agreed that they will deal with any fallout from a no-deal as a bloc,
rejecting any bilateral side deals with London.

In the same vein, the EU-27 have ruled out a ‘managed no-deal’,
in which the EU and Britain quickly find agreements to cushion the consequences of a hard Brexit.

Instead, they have agreed to only undertake the most necessary unilateral measures to protect the interest of European companies such as keeping the planes flying.

Jericho1 · 12/02/2019 11:23

Just be blunt about it Don't tempt me Grin

lonelyplanetmum · 12/02/2019 11:30

Have we seen this from DomG

Hope is not just in the Standard. Do we think he's trying to identify with TM on the hill walking context?

"Just as I hope I shall always do on mountainsides, these calls to rising levels of irrationality have to be resisted. The public are not fools. The evidence is that they know well and by a growing margin that Brexit is an ill-fated venture and they want a say on the outcome. They are against no-deal because they know it is a risk-laden fantasy. My duty as an MP is crystal clear in trying to make sure they get both another say on Brexit and that no deal is prevented.

The next weeks are likely to be decisive in this respect. The opportunity exists for the House of Commons to rise to this crisis and show the common sense that could get us out of difficulty. But that means putting aside the shallow considerations of party political advantage and having the courage to be honest with others as to what is happening. Insisting that all will somehow be well if Brexit goes through now, rather than insisting on a pause and a measured reconsideration, is an abdication of our responsibility.

We were all elected to try to improve the lives of our constituents. We may curse at the burden resulting from our mistakes as we retrace our steps, but we have a duty to get our country through this in one piece. "

Dominic Grieve QC is Conservative MP for Beaconsfield and former attorney general.

www.standard.co.uk/comment/comment/as-brexit-disaster-looms-we-must-have-the-courage-to-retrace-our-steps-a4063341.html

DGRossetti · 12/02/2019 11:34

I knew all the talk of gardens and veg was annoying me ... now I know why.

Apologies if it's been mentioned, but Alys Fowlers "The Edible Garden" shown on the BBC might be of interest.

TL;DR she turns her Brum suburban garden into a mini farm.

People might also want to check out edible weeds - our ancestors used to keep patches of soil for planting weeds (dandelions etc) for supplementing their diet. It featured in "Tales from the Green Valley"

DGRossetti · 12/02/2019 11:35

Bad luck Dom Sad

FishesaPlenty · 12/02/2019 11:36

Government sued over no-deal ferry contracts

Well that particular dispute should take all of 2 minutes to clear up.

As I understand it the intention of chartering extra ferries is to provide guaranteed capacity, to use as directed by the Government, avoiding potential congestion points. Unless Eurotunnel are planning a branch line to Ramsgate and considerably expanded Customs facilities then they were never a potential candidate for the contract. They're part of the problem, not the cure.

1tisILeClerc · 12/02/2019 11:38

{The next weeks are likely to be decisive in this respect.}
No shit Sherlock. In about 6 of these weeks it will be 'game over'.

SusanWalker · 12/02/2019 11:39

All this environmental news is so depressing. We should be ditching brexit, staying in the EU and through the EU start huge changes in Europe to stem the damage.

I know people say there's no point because China, but we can't make them change, only change ourselves. But it needs doing on a European wide basis.

I can't believe we are moving towards importing things from the other side of the globe, rather than our neighbours. It's such a backwards step.

DGRossetti · 12/02/2019 11:42

Unless Eurotunnel are planning a branch line to Ramsgate and considerably expanded Customs facilities then they were never a potential candidate for the contract.

It hasn't got anything to do with their suitability or otherwise, and everything to do with whether or not the law was followed.

By your logic, it's OK for a University admissions officer to tour schools and tear up completed application forms on the basis "they wouldn't have got in anyway".

DGRossetti · 12/02/2019 11:42

Unless Eurotunnel are planning a branch line to Ramsgate and considerably expanded Customs facilities then they were never a potential candidate for the contract.

It hasn't got anything to do with their suitability or otherwise, and everything to do with whether or not the law was followed.

By your logic, it's OK for a University admissions officer to tour schools and tear up completed application forms on the basis "they wouldn't have got in anyway".

BiglyBadgers · 12/02/2019 11:42

If we are sharing artistic representations of brexit I would like to out forward "Satan Devouring his Son" one of Goya's Black Painting. A delightful series of pictures painted on the walls of his house. In fact the whole series is worth a look if you want a feel for what UK is going to look like after No Deal

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Paintings

NB. These are not cheery.

DGRossetti · 12/02/2019 11:42

Unless Eurotunnel are planning a branch line to Ramsgate and considerably expanded Customs facilities then they were never a potential candidate for the contract.

It hasn't got anything to do with their suitability or otherwise, and everything to do with whether or not the law was followed.

By your logic, it's OK for a University admissions officer to tour schools and tear up completed application forms on the basis "they wouldn't have got in anyway".

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