How scared are you of brexit?

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Because I’m trying to work out if I’m a normal amount of scared or if I’m losing it.

I’m terrified of the recession that is looming after brexit, increased food prices, reduced public spending, which will lead to more homelessness and misery and perhaps even more violence on the streets. I’m terrified of the NHS being privatised, of not having access to cheap fruit and vegetables, of not being able to travel to europe.

Perhaps most of all I’m scared of a return to the troubles in Northern Ireland. I can’t velieve people would rather have a border than a backstop.

I’m scared of the way Eu migrants are being treated and how normal it has become for the Eu to be hated and mocked and blamed for everything. I’m scared of what this is doing to my friends, my colleagues, my community. I feel complicit and I don’t know how to protest or complain.

I’m a Londoner, and I’m scared of the ‘metropolitan elite’ conspiracy theories that both the left and the right seen to hold about people like me (I guess I’m what could be called ‘a centrist’). It makes me scared to talk about any of this.

I’m terrified for the future of our country, for my son’s future, for my elderly parents’ future, for our jobs. We are small, community minded people with small incomes. I spend a lot of my time volunteering in the local community. I feel like I should have been getting rich and hoarding money instead because it’s all going to be dog eat dog very soon.

I am losing sleep. I can’t concentrate at work. I find myself bursting into tears and getting angry for no reason other than a total; overwhelming fear of the future. I feel like my future has been taken away. Am i going mad? Or is it just the uncertainty? Or am I really part of an elite that can’t handle change?

For what it’s worth, I think the Eu needs to reform and the uk needs a big political shake up. But I think brexit is going to make all our problems worse, not better.

Does anyone else feel this way?

Of course they would let it happen. They get to make an absolute fortune as a result, strip us of our rights and invoke Henry 8th powers and martial law. Lack of fruit and veg may turn out to be the least of our worries.

And all the while, all the gullible fools well blame the EU and well, we know where nationalism / populism and am obsession with WW2 eventually leads.

Not to mention other nations with vested interests just itching for us to be weakened.

Yes I’m worried.

DH is on essential lifelong medication without which he would die a horrible painful lingering death. We have enough to weather a few months’ shortage if he ekes them out, but no longer.

DM is in a care home, and I have no idea what provisions are being put into place to ensure that residents can be fed. Several of the (wonderful) care workers are Polish and Romanian. I hope to goodness they have applied for residency and are not planning to go home.

If there’s a No Deal Brexit there will definitely be food shortages. The industry is quite clear about that. I can’t see how that will not lead to violence, if there was violence over Build A Bear and the last carrot stuffed toy in Aldi.

I’m terrified. There’s so much stupidity and ignorance.

Jesus Christ the pp who says the government would pay any extra import tax on fruit and veg! It’s comments like that that make me terrified...

I actually think the government and the Eu have been too good, too seamless, people taken for granted what they do; that they’ll get payments and housing from government when they can’t feed themselves; that someone else is in charge and therefore it’ll all be ok.

Please everyone write to your mp and urge them to revoke article 50 rather than have a no deal.

Also sign the petitions on gov petitions website.

Stop let stupidity and ignorance win.

Sorry still on pg 6, but had to comment...

Dongding accusing Bellini of scaremongering, that's rich! On her thread about being 'paralyzed by fear' you accused me of trying to poison people! When you could have taken the advice in my post to look up the instructions on internet, you instead wrote an inflammatory post about poison. It would have take you 2 min to find the truth, but you had to be dramatic. Can't take anything you say seriously

I'm scared too and it doesn't help most people around me don't seem to be bothered by it and tell me not to be so stupid!

I do have general anxiety though so maybe that's why.

Sorry you have anxiety, Plodding. Have you been able to do any stocking up,?

Only thing I'm likely to stock up on is popcorn.

Already enjoying watching remoaner hysteria but suspect it'll get even more entertaining!

@PloddingOnwards , I'm sorry that you are feeling anxious. If it's any comfort, my Remain voting work colleagues appear to be in denial too. Unless they are following mine and others' advice on MN and keeping their buffer pantry plans confidential.
Not sure if you have had go at my suggestion but here it is again.
Imagine you are snowed in for three days. What will you and your family actually eat? Get freezer friendly and/or shelf stable versions of that. What are your hygiene needs - toothpaste, sanpro, shampoo etc. Make-up too if it makes you feel good.
Think about snacks and treats. And entertainment. Because being stuck indoors is boring.
Why 3 days? It's doable and storable and keeps you away from the shops while you suss out how things are locally. Want to do more? Plenty of advice on MN.

Thank you @captainjackandjill .
All this talk of "Remoaner hysteria ", is yet another attempt to create a myth that suits a flimsy case. Remainer supporters on here , while sharing their concerns (y'know, like grownups) , are generally helping each other.
While the media sees some mileage in creating the latest line about No Deal concerns and flooding the press with it, there's plenty of sensible budget friendly practical advice on here for anyone who wants to take it.
Sorry to spoil BeLeaver fun but you don't get that power over me.

And, by the way, you don't have to have voted Remain to get a buffer in your pantry. I don't give a shit how you voted as long as you don't try and ram no Deal shit down my throat.

@Spinflight so why do you feel there is nothing to worry about? I'm not trying to be goady. I am worried about Brexit and would really like to have reasons not to be.

@bubblewire

Brexit for the ordinary bodess will be of a similar order to the government changing the corporation tax rate..

Hardly effects anyone directly, but has effects down the line.

Hell have a look at the opposite of what is happening, a country that has signed up to a trade block and how things changed... They will have done but very slowly overall.

Even after Mexico joined Nafta I doubt many people really noticed for quite some time afterwards. :)

Frankly the realm of international politics is pretty distant in terms of instantly noticeable effects on people's lives.

Saying that if you want to stock up on tinfoil hats then the only real downside would be not being able to take the mick out of American preppers and mountain men.....

Hmm. I'm not really comforted by anything you've said there Spinfight. I was hoping for specifics!

I think that some bumpiness in supermarkets' supply will be felt by pretty much everyone.

{Frankly the realm of international politics is pretty distant in terms of instantly noticeable effects on people's lives}.
While the 'international politics' bit MAY be relatively small change, the implications of actually leaving the EU are huge.
A price hike of between 10% and 20% in foodstuffs within a week will be immensely damaging, never mind the zillion and one other bits that are relatively obvious and then a whole load more that are still not obvious, and of course crashing even one aspect of a deal or regulation has a massive ripple effect.
if the UK crashes out on 29 March, the UK government will possibly not be in control as there is simply too much changing at once.
Turning to Marshal law won't help much, as the Army is insufficient to deal with a whole country in a state of panic.

"Hmm. I'm not really comforted by anything you've said there Spinfight. I was hoping for specifics!"

Such as @bubblewire?

I honestly didn't realise that hysteria existed... I've seen the news stories predicting plagues of frogs and having to sell our first borns but.... I've taken remarkably few seriously.

And this despite a rather low opinion of the ability of the civil service to organise the proverbial in a brewery. :)

{Even after Mexico joined Nafta I doubt many people really noticed for quite some time afterwards. }
Joining something like that is totally irrelevant.
Most peoples lives would not be affected because is not disrupting normal everyday lives. Over a period of time prices may drift, or other secondary effects but a step change is very destructive.
Venezuela has been suffering hyperinflation, the price of food and everything doubles every 19 days. Looking at it the other way around, the money in your pocket is worth half, in under 3 weeks.

There's not "hysteria" from people who are (and have been) thinking carefully about how to deal with this potentially difficult situation in their own home.
The "hysteria " is among people who haven't thought about it before , who live a bit of drama or media junkies looking for a new angle on Brexit.

"A price hike of between 10% and 20% in foodstuffs within a week will be immensely damaging, "

Can't immiediately think of any particular foodstuffs that we exclusively buy from the EU which aren't available from RoW.... So not seeing it.

Food from the EU is relatively expensive by world standards, so more likely we'll see a reduction in prices.

@Spinflight measures that you think the Government has in place to mitigate any difficulties, fo example. The reason I worry is that I feel the government is bumbling its way though all this with no proper contigency planning. Well, except for airlifting Queenie to safety.

"Joining something like that is totally irrelevant. "

It is identical only in reverse...

If joining a trade block and standardising external tariffs results in little or no noticeable disruption to everyday life then why do you think the reverse not be true?

Why on earth is the government spending billions of pounds on "no deal readiness" when experts like spinflight reckon it'll all be hunky dory?

"@Spinflight measures that you think the Government has in place to mitigate any difficulties, fo example."

Anything specific?

In broad strokes this is what the civil service earn their money for... And whilst my faith in them isn't high it isn't that low either...

Bear in mind bubblewire that 80% of the total economy is entirely internal anyway. Food transport and the like...

And 12% on top of that is imports, so we are the buyer, and therefore the chooser.

Foreign firms call the UK treasure Island as the margins here for profit are higher than almost anywhere else in the world... So they might take a hit due to tariffs but there aren't markets they can just sell into instead so...

Buyers have choice and we import an awful lot from the EU. About 3x as much from Germany as we export to Germany for instance. But it's entirely a choice and if German stuff is no longer good value we buy from elsewhere instead.

{Food from the EU is relatively expensive by world standards, so more likely we'll see a reduction in prices.}
I live in the EU, food here (bizarrely) is more expensive than the UK.
Jumping to WTO 'base rate'tariffs will instantly increase the price to the UK, and this is before you factor in the extra costs of having 'emergency' deliveries and the falling value of the Pound.
RoW prices will increase, and you are assuming that the existing food distribution patterns which are relatively stable will suddenly get readjusted just because the UK has fucked up? Food takes time to grow, it is not sitting in warehouses ready for Theresa to sign a bit of paper.