John Humphryrs Solution To Brexit

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BBC presenter John Humphrys suggested to the Irish Republic’s Europe minister, Helen McEntee that the Irish Republic should quit the EU and join the UK as a solution To Brexit. Such ignorance is astounding.

www.joe.co.uk/news/bbc-presenter-suggests-irexit-217242
www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jan/26/john-humphrys-suggests-ireland-could-quit-eu-and-join-uk

Perhaps the only upside to Brexit is that when the national humiliation reaches its peak this sort of colonial arrogance will die off.

Its also ironic some leavers complain about foreigners and British values being eroded when the empire enforced its own culture on others - including Ireland. There is still opposition to an Irish language act in NI, for example.

Oh god as an Irish person that attitude makes my blood boil. Ahhhhhh I just feel so mad listening to that interview and it's exactly how I think the UK feels about us - the total lack of respect to our country (and I know in reality that's not what everyone thinks)

I can't speak for anyone else here but I am a very proud European. I feel lucky that our country is part of the EU. We have done so well being part of the Union.

@seething1234 I certainly don't feel like JH. I'm appalled to think that we will be tarred with his arrogant, shameful brush.

Ufortunately, from the Irish POV, all we see is a not-so-slow shifting of the goalposts. "We could leave with our heads held high, our sovereignty intact, if it wasn't for those damn'd Irish causing trouble again.". Time and again the British government has made agreements, then welched on them the very second they become inconvenient. They don't even intend to keep them, as David Davies proved when he got off the plane in December 2017 and chuckled about the deal he had just signed, and indicated it was meaningless. Not even fucking smart enough to pretend otherwise. That's why nobody trusts the word of the British government. That's why Ireland and the EU won't accept flannelly reassurances

Dear god. Even Humphreys sounded a bit like 'am I actually about to ask this question???'. I don't know whether to laugh, cry or start throwing things when I hear stuff like this. Her answer was perfect

Yep, the continued colonialisation of the north has always been framed as an Irish problem not a British one - The Irish question, the Irish border. It allows the British to absolve themselves from the fact that the issue with Brexit is entirely a British problem - now and back to when the North was annexed.

I stopped listening to the Today programme because of Humphrys and Brexit.
I'd listened to it all my life
but until he is gone I've tuned out.

The BBC has really done permanent harm to its reputation and I think that one of the outcomes of Brexit may be its eventual disappearance. I no longer watch or read any BBC output and I can't be the only one.

BBC can stay but BBC News can take a hike. I just haven't take any of its output seriously since 2016. It's nothing but a government mouthpiece and don't start me on their awful need for 'balance'. Not all positions need someone arguing the opposite. What's the quote that pops up on Twitter? Something like 'if one person says it's raining and another person says it's not, it's not journalism's job to promote both points of view, it's journalism's job to look out the window and see which is true'.

Actually the only good thing I've seen on BBC News recently has been George Alagiah's return. Hope he's on the path to recovery.

TBH the absolute final straw for me was the BBC news handling of Climate change.
Giving Nigel Lawson a say on climate change
but not Prof Brian Cox a say on Brexit
showed how dodgy their ethics are

He has form for this kind of thing. He's an ignorant man imo. He asked an expert on Zimbabwe something similarly colonialist a fee month back. It really shocked me at the time and I don't take the 0r9grannr as seriously now.

The BBC has really done permanent harm to its reputation and I think that one of the outcomes of Brexit may be its eventual disappearance. I no longer watch or read any BBC output and I can't be the only one.
The BBC has moved so far away from it's core values and the great organisation many people once had faith in.

www.bbc.co.uk/aboutthebbc/insidethebbc/whoweare/mission_and_values
Our values
Trust is the foundation of the BBC: we are independent, impartial and honest.
Audiences are at the heart of everything we do.
We take pride in delivering quality and value for money.
Creativity is the lifeblood of our organisation.
We respect each other and celebrate our diversity so that everyone can give their best.
We are one BBC: great things happen when we work together.

The Royal Charter and Agreement also sets out five public purposes for the BBC.
www.bbc.co.uk/aboutthebbc/insidethebbc/whoweare/publicpurposes/
*To provide impartial news and information to help people understand and engage with the world around them
The BBC will provide accurate and impartial news, current affairs and factual programming of the highest editorial standards so that all audiences can engage fully with issues across the UK and the world.
*To support learning for people of all ages
*To show the most creative, highest quality and distinctive output and services
*To reflect, represent and serve the diverse communities of all of the United Kingdom’s nations and regions and, in doing so, support the creative economy across the United Kingdom
*To reflect the United Kingdom, its culture and values to the world
High quality, accurate, impartial news coverage will be delivered to international audiences, aiding understanding of the UK as a whole.

I'm a raging Remainer so naturally most of my twitter feed is Raging Remainers. Heaps of moans about biased BBC (pro-Brexit examples).

Sometimes I blunder onto a Raging Leaver page. They are all moaning about raging anti-Brexit BBC (zillions of examples).

I still love the BBC. They can't ever get it 'right', though.

They can't ever get it 'right', though.

This is part of the problem: of course you can't get an "opinion" right but news outlets should be capable of getting basic facts right, and challenging people who get them wrong.

I just don't think there's any excuse for people like Marr and Humphrys (who are being paid the really big bucks) to be so inept. Week in, week out.

Remainers expect the BBC to be impartial. I suspect leavers dislike the BBC because they see it as part of the "establishment" rather than being based on any fact, the same way Trump denounces most of the US media except Fox.

Leavers have the Mail/Express etc that have been consistently anti EU for years. Leave is dogma, one should never veer from the script! The BBC daring to interview a remain supporter would probably be enough for leavers to think the organisation had an agenda against them.

But the Mail is now pro EU under Greig

Frankgrimes
My problem with the BBC is their obsession with faux balance
eg Climate change
999/1000 scientists say its real, man is causing it and its bad
so the Today programme to have balance
includes the 1/1000 and one of the 999
or more often a non scientist to give the contrary view

That is not balance, it is creating the perception that there is not consensus
when there is
and the lives of all our children and grandchildren are at stake

Amen. No more anti-science 'balance' needed on discussions on climate change.

I think the Irish minister was brilliant: refusing to rise to the bait with his aggressive and ignorant questions and replying calmly and matter-of-factly in her beautiful, mellifluous voice with facts and figures to counter Humphry's incorrect statistics. And even there, she was diplomatic, saying the information that he had been given (so not making it personal) was out of date and here are are the correct figures.

I never listen to JH. I find him an embarrassment - I say this as a leaver.

I have never liked him, I think he thinks he is ever so clever with his goady questions when in reality he just sounds like a twat!

Why is the BBC still paying this old man an outrageous amount of money when he should have been put out to pasture long ago.

As for the BBC's bias, well I feel they are remain biased.

Perhaps the only upside to Brexit is that when the national humiliation reaches its peak this sort of colonial arrogance will die off.

I agree 100%.

So happy to find this thread - I couldn't believe what I was hearing - and so many good points on here. I thought I would see more reaction to the interview the press tbh.

in the press

I can't believe that May thinks the hoped-for vote today will solve all problems. Constant constant talking-up of the 'fact' that if the vote is successful it will apply pressure on the EU and Ireland. It won't.

"Alternative arrangements" like that's a thing. "Just trust us". "A protocol rather than a legally-binding agreement, which isn't needed at all at all because of course we'll stick to our word." Meaningless twaddle that nobody is going to accept. David Davies showed how much he respected a legally binding agreement he'd just signed, so why would anyone accept an even weaker agreement?

The DUP are going to be in trouble at home in NI if they throw businesses there under the bus.