Why do people say that both sides of the referendum campaign told lies?

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What are the lies?

Not just Turkish accession, but the propaganda implied that all 76+ million Turks wanted to come live in (not just EU but) Britain. That point is in The Uncivil War (tv doc).

Pic is from The Express, April 2016.

EU skeptics ran their own Project Fear about EU membership for 20 years before the Referendum.

The Turkey negotiations had been going on for 30 years by that point

I've just googled and the EU website has a timeline;
ec.europa.eu/neighbourhood-enlargement/countries/detailed-country-information/turkey_en

Accession negotiations started in 2005 and were on going in May and June 2016 - bad timing for the Remain campaign I guess. Perhaps it was not unreasonable to suppose that Turkey might join the EU within 10 years at that time. A military coup was attempted on the 15th July 2016 - after the referendum.

There are also timelines for negotiations with Albania, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Macedonia, Kosovo, Montenegro and Serbia.

I have no idea what the paranoia about a possible EU army is about. Every member already has their own army and creating an 'EU army' is likely to be mostly an exercise of integrating their leadership, which if/when it becomes necessary to fight, which they do already when in 'peacekeeping' roles it is far better to be in a cohesive unit that already work well together. Many already hold joint exercises anyway.

Quite apart from any fears about the EU army, it would be very expensive. Can you imagine the pensions?

{Quite apart from any fears about the EU army, it would be very expensive. Can you imagine the pensions?}
The bulk of the force already exist and presumably pensions would be allocated from respective countries. Why are you trying to be so negative.
If the EU is attacked, would you prefer to be defended by a large multicountry force or only the UK army?
The other aspect is that it is a European army not an EU army and the UK is eligible to join irrespective of being in or out of the EU AFAIK.

Quite apart from any fears about the EU army, it would be very expensive. Can you imagine the pensions?

I don't understand this point.

May to enforce a 3 line whip on the ammendments.
twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/1087782246529097728?s=19

Turkey joining was the reason a lot of the older generation of my family voted to leave - we’re Armenian on my dads side and they still haven’t acknowledged the genocide that my family escaped from, so the mere thought of it being a possibility swayed them to vote leave

I felt that the Remain campaign were resorting to scare tactics. But at least they had some foundation in reality and I looked high and low for a decent credible argument to leave. However with the likes of Farage trumpeting leave, I was suspicious.

I didn’t feel that the Remain campaign lied. They made predictions which didn’t all come to pass but I reckon they mostly will. That’s completely different to photoshopping images to whip up fear of an “influx” etc etc

The thing with the European army malarkey is that the UK has already signed up to a European defence strategy that we will be in regardless of whether we remain or leave. Probably because it is a good idea and makes sense economically

So if 'European Army' is your leave trigger then sorry but it is has kind of already happened and leaving isn't going to make the slightest bit of difference.

Accountant222
It was the scare tactics Cameron used in 'Project Fear' made me to decide to vote out.

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Formation of an EU Army would need to be a unanimous decision of the European Council, and the UK had always said it would veto it. Other countries would most likely veto it too.

As long as you don't touch my books @Accountant222 , you can be as silly and lacking in judgement as you want on here.

Wasn’t the NHS net vs gross figure exposed well before the referendum date? If that’s right, people didn’t vote leave based on that
‘lie’.

Frumpety

An European defence stratetis not the same as the UK joining an European army.

*defence strategy

LeClerc

I do understand the fear of an European army. Having the UK army work with other armies, but not controlled by them (the current position) is different to ceding control to an army led by a mix of nationalities who have different national interests. The EU acts in the EU’s collective interests, but that is not always consistent witth the interests of individual nation states (e.g. Handling of Greece’s debt). We have many shared interests with other European nations, and I’m sure we will continue to cooperate, but cooperation is different to ceding military control and decision making

People need to stop mentioning Greece's debt.

That was of Greek making.

If they had defaulted and come out of the euro there would have been a far more unholy mess than what has occurred.

Imagine no schools working, no health care, no pensions paid, no forces paid.

Boris

Point taken, I was using it as an example of the EU’s collective interests outweigh what an individual country wants. Another example is the UK’s failed opposition to Juncker’s appointment.

We shared aircraft carriers with the French ffs (or something like that)

I don’t particularly want an E.U. army but I am not against cooperation.

Apologies for derailing a bit, but I find the idea of being opposed to some form of European Army or cooperation strangely ahistorical. I had a friend who once said to me a member of the British Army would never accept an order that came from a foreigner. My response to that was, well, what do you think happened in WW1 and WW2 and the Iraq Wars?

If you are in the forces, you do what you are told to do, usually without question.
The need for the army is not against Europeans.
British troops are fighting now worldwide with other EU countries and the Americans, even if it is not on the daily news.

@MNHQ. Personally think you should have let Accountant222's insult stand. It wasn't overly abusive/sweary and reveals him/her as having little/nothing to refute the points others had made about their reasons for voting leave.