Why do people say that both sides of the referendum campaign told lies?

[Apileofballyhoo]

What are the lies?

Good luck @Apileofballyhoo . Apparently if we didn't fall into an abyss immediately it means we will never fall into an abyss if we No Deal.

I’m assuming the economy will collapse is one of the lies.

‘They said the economy would collapse and it hasn’t’ is something I’ve heard a number of times.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/aug/20/brexit-eu-referendum-economy-project-fear

We haven't left yet. Or didn't you spot that?

We haven't left yet. Or didn't you spot that?

The lie was that the sky would fall in overnight - that's certainly what I was worrying about as I was looking down at my referendum ballot paper.

But it is obvious that the sky has not fallen in as a result of the referendum, and those who said it would look a bit silly.By now, Britain was supposed to be reeling from the emergency budget George Osborne said would be necessary to fill a £30bn black hole in the public finances caused by a plunging economy.The emergency budget is history, as is Osborne

Britain would lose at least half a million jobs within two years of a vote to leave the European Union George Osborne - that was 2.5 years ago.
uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-osborne/uk-would-lose-at-least-500000-jobs-after-brexit-vote-osborne-idUKKCN0YE141

There is a difference.

The leave campaign focused on things that were provably untrue, the £350 million, Turkey joining, the negative impact of immigration etc.

The remain campaign was based on economic predictions, however all predictions are based on a set of circumstances being assumed

Once Cameron failed to declare article 50 on the first day as he said he would, and which the assumptions were based on, then the economic forecasts were suddenly inaccurate. They also didn't forecast the BOE 75bn in QE, which of course is 1% of GDP, and larger than the increase in growth over the next year.

There is a difference.

However, the economic predictions have had some accuracy, inflation went up, and real wages down ( only increasing now because of lower inflation, but the price rises are all ready factored in). Economic growth has been significantly lower than it was before the referendum, during a period of world growth, and investment in the UK overall has fallen, both internal and external.

The leave campaign focused on things that were provably untrue, the £350 million, Turkey joining, the negative impact of immigration etc
It seems that the Turkey negotiations were still ongoing at the time of the referendum vote, albeit in the early stages of an EU membership bid.

Wiki says;
The early 2016 refugee deal between Turkey and the European Union was intended to accelerate negotiations after previous stagnation and allow visa-free travel through Europe for Turks

The Turkey negotiations had been going on for 30 years by that point.

Their imminent accession was not likely, if ever, because the Greeks have a veto.

Oh and who was the main backer of Turkey's accession?

The UK

{Britain would lose at least half a million jobs within two years of a vote to leave the European Union George Osborne - that was 2.5 years ago.}
Replace the word 'Vote' with departure and he will be on track of being 'correct''.
As said by PP, the timeline is distorted but the trend is pretty consistent.

Fairly sure the leavers’ £350 million a week for the NHS isn’t accurate.

Also the remainers’ instant crash in the £ & the need for an emergency budget the following week proved not to be true.

Except the crash in the pound did occur immiediately after the referendum, and it has never recovered. It has settled at an average of about 12% against the euro and 5% against the dollar. the pound is significantly lower against the pound than its historical average.

Oh and the emergency budget was had in some ways, just under another name, Hammond pushed a budget surplus till 2027 ( when it was supposed to be 2018), and they tried to increase NI contributions on the self employed.

Again the instant crash was avoided because article 50 was delayed and the BOE intervened. It would have occurred if Cameron had done what he said and the BOE had not intervened.

{Fairly sure the leavers’ £350 million a week for the NHS isn’t accurate.}
It was the implication if not direct statements that it was money going to the EU which is wrong.
The actual amount is around £200 Million per week but more importantly it is only 0.7% of GDP which leaves 99.3% of GDP for the UK gov to spend as it wishes. So, cancel Trident replacement, or some other military hardware, or put back HS2 or any other project could have seen the money spent on the NHS. 2 1/2 years later we have a vague promise of some extra dosh for the NHS in the future.

If the referendum had been an advertising campaign to sell a financial product, it would have been banned and both parties now facing massive fines and a public apology.

But a fraudulent vote which has (already) altered our nation for generations is exempt.... its really quite unbelievable from the Mother of Parliaments and the seat of democracy.

Remain camp was guilty of suggesting that damage that will actually happen over years would be immediate (although the pound took an immediate, enormous hit and inflation/shrinkflation has risen). There was an element of scaremongering though I suspect it was mostly because people even in government didn't actually understand the process for leaving or how long it would take.

Leave camp was guilty of telling quite a number of outright whoppers and many smaller untruths and half truths - things that they definitely knew to be untrue and definitely I new were inflammatory (or worse).

Have you seen the Led By Donkeys poster campaign? Someone is making billboard posters of lies told by government ministers and sticking them in prominent places.

Nobody on either side knew anything, Therefore most things that were said and are being said are untruths

Have you seen the Led By Donkeys poster campaign? Someone is making billboard posters of lies told by government ministers and sticking them in prominent places.

Yeah I've seen that.

I was hoping someone could point to some deliberate lies by the remain campaign as I see it being said the whole time that both sides told lies.

"Nobody on either side knew anything"

But we did. We knew that the £350m was a lie, because the net contribution was never £350m.

We knew that there wou;d be no retaining all of the benefits of the single market because the EU said there would not be.

We knew that the Northern Irish border was an issue.

We knew that Turkey was not imminently joining.

We knew that an EU army was unlikely..

Go back and look through some of the pre referendum threads and see all the things that leavers "knew" .

"I was hoping someone could point to some deliberate lies by the remain campaign as I see it being said the whole time that both sides told lies."

The leave campaigners like to point to the fact that there was no massive crash following the referendum that this is evidence of "lying", when in fact its events changed and those that had been assumed ( article 50 first day) did not occur, so the outcomes changed.

This allows them to dismiss any accusations of their side lying.

I haven't checked Led by Donkeys to see if they have any lies from Remainers (have they really done nothing from Cameron? Didn't he lie about triggering A50 immediately, and then bottle it?) - but it's certainly much, much less fertile ground than on the leave side.

There's a remain side lie, article 50 would be declared immediately.

We knew that an EU army was unlikely

Erm... doesn’t sound unlikely to me from today’s news...

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-46908205

“German Chancellor Angela Merkel highlighted peace and security and backed the emergence of a European army.”

On BBC news today

Errm... if we had been in the EU at the time of an EU army we could have vetoed it.

In practice the above is France and Germany working together on some defence issues.

It is not a whole EU army, as was suggested.

It was the scare tactics Cameron used in 'Project Fear' made me to decide to vote out.

That was a good reason.