what about a YOUNG people's vote? (the people who didn't get a say last time)

[M3lon]

I kinda get the 'anti-democratic' argument about a people's vote - not really, but I see why MPs view it as a disaster. But what about asking the 1.6 million people aged 18 to 20.5 who are now of voting age who weren't able to vote in the referendum...and adding their polling to the previous vote?

Could it possibly be considered anti-democratic to ask people who haven't had a say...and who are incidentally most affected by this decision?

{ So we ignore the people who remembered what it was like before we were in the EU/CM!}
What has the conditions of the UK 40 or more years ago got to do with now?
Apart from JRM relatively few want to go backwards. Unfortunately leaving will have this effect to some degree.

BlueJag
{I most live in a hole...}
There's no accounting for taste.

I saw Polly Toynbee calling for this on Twitter. She was rightly called out for being so offensive towards people who have died.

The EU will collapse without our money? That has to be the single most I-can't-believe-we-don't-still-have-empire comment I've read to date.

I'd actually be rolling on the floor laughing if I was crying.

She was rightly called out for being so offensive towards people who have died

Hate to tell you this but the dead haven't any feelings and are past caring.
The young on the other hand are going to affected by this decision for many years to come and more importantly, expected to pay up for the care of the very people who've caused this.

sorry, still snorting with laughter at the idea the EU will collapse without our 12 billion a year. I'll definitely try and feel sorry for any dead people I have offended very shortly....

I mean its very nearly 7p per person per day....what on earth will they do without it?!?

It's not about offending the dead, it's about offending the grieving. I am one. I'm a Remainer as was my late Mum. My grief has nothing to do with her vote. I assume Leave supporters in the same position feel the same way. Dismissing her vote as irrelevant is hurtful to say the least.

That’s the second time I’ve heard Corbyn referred to a Brexiteer, @DongDingDong , is that because he thinks we should stick to the referendum vote? He did vote remain.

Ah, I’ve messed that @ up. It should be @Dongdingdong

Corbyn has been anti E.U. since we joined. It's a common left wing position. His ringing endorsement of Remain during the referendum was the opposite of deafening.
No one can really be sure how he actually voted.

@bellinisurge I assume the OP only wants to offend those grieving Leave voters. I suspect you are safe.

Awful idea OP. Those under 18 have to rely on their guardians to vote in their interests. They will get their chance at the next GE. Same as everyone else.

Thanks bellini

I don’t see how it is disregarding the votes of those that have since passed away as the young votes would just be added to the existing votes from last time.

It’s an interesting idea, although I think the more compelling argument is there is a complete re vote now we know what the options are in terms of the withdrawal negotiation outcome.

This is so ridiculous I don’t know where to start. I am waiting for someone to suggest we have a best out of three vote. I must be one of the few remainers who is prepared to abide by a democratic vote.

I am too @Bowchicawowow . This is scraping the barrel of awfulness.
If my Mum has voted differently to me before she died, I would have at least respected the fact that a dying woman took the time to organise a postal vote. I left the room while she voted to give her privacy and proudly posted it for her when completed.
She was for Remain like me but we discussed it openly like adults. Her vote counted as much as mine.

@M3lon you can laugh all you want even piss yourself.
Over time the EU will collapse. It needs money simple economics.
Look at the list of net contributors. The gab that we leave is enormous and other countries are going to have to tighten their belts considerably.
Laugh away. I don't wish it but I can see it happening if they don't change their working model.

I think that's an excellent idea op.

Mind-boggled by the suggestion that it would be disrespectful to the dead.

Disrespectful to the grieving not disrespectful to the dead.

Oh come on!

So you feeling 'disrespected' trumps my 20 year old ds having to live with a decision that he was allowed no part in?

There were enough 18-24 year olds who had the vote who didn't bother and never bother. Maybe they will realise how important it is to vote now, as well as the people like my DH who spoilt his ballot and the people who voted leave as a protest vote. No point moaning about something on Twitter after the event.

bluejag They could easily become stronger without us though. The shambles we are in at the moment will have scared any other dissatisfied members. They won't have to pay our rebate, they won't have us moaning about every little thing and they will have one less country with a veto. They do need to change, and the loss of our money may well make them do that. They could end up more streamlined and more efficient as a result, while we will be the neighbours of the largest trading bloc in the world, pretending we still have an empire while begging India to do a trade deal with us.

Having had a partner die and recently my Mum, to me, their votes were neither here nor there, their deaths were all that mattered.
The Tories who voted in 2015 and subsequently died, thinking the UK would have a majority Government for the next 5 years, were completely ignored when May called a snap GE in 2017.

I don't respect the referendum vote, it was wrong and is proving to be so as companies move, uk spends a fortune on preparations and we become a laughing stock on the world stage, not too mention the economic price the UK will pay - majorities are not always right and its up to MPs and Governments to do what is best for the country.

The young are going to be the ones faced with putting all this right and are being completely ignored by the old.

either its important to know what people think or it isn't. If it is then, then test it regularly...

Imagine if we actually did this. We'd become this crazy one-issue country that did basically nothing but debate the pros and cons of the EU.

And just when we'd actually decided what to do and put all the new arrangements in place, with all the huge cost and hassle that involves, we'd invite all the people to "have their say" again (i.e. spend ten seconds putting a cross in a box). And on the basis of that we'd potentially then have to start all over again and unpick the whole lot.

It makes our current situation seem quite sane!