Irish border solution

[PerverseConverse]

Does anyone have one??

No matter how many times I go over brexit in my head, on here, with friends, in the news, on the internet, I can't figure out how on earth the Irish border issue is going to be resolved to anyone's satisfaction.

Is there a solution (other than no brexit?)

[Juells]

I suspect that the reason British people don't understand what the problem is, in relation to the border and Ireland in general, is that they think NI is like Wales or Scotland.

[PerverseConverse]

I have no problem with it being called anything. You seem to have an agenda though to come on the thread and say it's not called the Irish border but offer no answer to the original post until pushed. I have genuinely never heard it referred to as the British border.

[ILoveMaxiBondi]

I have genuinely never heard it referred to as the British border.

Of course you haven’t, and that’s the problem. It serves the British Government very well to distance themselves from the problem (they have caused) by referring to it as the Irish border. It’s the pesky Irish and their border that is causing the problem, oh why won’t the Irish just do as they’re told and make this go smoothly for us! They’ve been always captitualted in the past, why aren’t they doing it now?

[ILoveMaxiBondi]

but offer no answer to the original post until pushed.

as for this!! Come on now! You can’t seriously believe the solution is sitting in the brain of a wee Irish MNer who until now hadn’t provided it because no-one had asked her. why do you think I would have the solution?

[PerverseConverse]

Didn't NI vote to stay as part of the UK or have I got that confused somewhere? Am relatively new to politics and trying my best to understand all the issues regarding brexit, hence this thread, as it's the one area I really can't see a solution to.

[Lollypop701]

I thought Norway has to accept free movement of people? So that won’t be acceptable as all those pesky foreigners are stealing our jobs?

[PestymcPestFace]

Not bold Bean pissed off. The GFA was the solution to the Irish border / troubles.

People were meant to live together for generations. With the hope that fragile peace would evolve into secure peace. Shit loads of time with guarantees of equality. The people of Ireland work it out, not Westminster.

Since the referendum Stormont has stopped sitting. The english tories have fecked Ireland over.

[Juells]

Didn't NI vote to stay as part of the UK or have I got that confused somewhere?

Don't know what you're referring to. NI voted Remain.

Most Irish people, if they think about it at all, view NI as a British colony. At the time of partition, the electoral boundaries were gerrymandered to ensure the native Irish would always be at a disadvantage. It's referred to as 'the six counties' because only the Ulster counties that had a Protestant majority were included in 'Ulster'. despite Ulster having nine. It doesn't help anything that the DUP are so unpleasant, and impossible to deal with, and have no problem being abusive, rude, insulting, and have so many red lines that negotiation isn't possible.

[Linwin]

The moment Teresa May got into bed with the DUP it was never going to end well.

There isn’t a solution that will satisfy them and what the ERG want from Brexit AND protects the GFA.

[ILoveMaxiBondi]

Didn't NI vote to stay as part of the UK or have I got that confused somewhere?

Do you mean the vote that happened 45 years ago in the midst of the troubles that only unionists voted in?

Or were you thinking of Scotland?

NI voted to remain in the EU in the referendum.

[PerverseConverse]

I was referring to the GFA where it was acknowledged that most people in NI wanted to remain as part of the UK.

[ILoveMaxiBondi]

Yes, with no hard border dividing the island of Ireland. I’m not sure what you’re asking with that question if it’s not “well if most people wanted to remain in their U.K. what’s the problem with a border then?”

[Clavinova]

Having just read that the IRA and 'new' IRA have an estimated turnover of £50M in illegal business, including drug dealing - the border question probably has quite a lot to do with criminals not wanting their illegal activities checked.

[ILoveMaxiBondi]

And nothing at all to do with the legitimate businesses that operate across the border?

[ILoveMaxiBondi]

Where did you read that BTW? Out of interest.

[Linwin]

I voted in the GFA and it was essentially a vote for peace. The extreme sides of NI unfairly tarnishes the moderates amongst us with the same brush.

This is a very interesting video on how the communities started coming together to move forward in the 1990’s

[frogprincess84]

There was no border poll in the GFA. What there was was an agreement that there would be no change to the status of NI (ie UK or united Ireland) without the agreement of a majority.

And fyi NI voted remain- so the PP who suggest we had "brought this upon" everyone in the UK can wind her neck in. The only people to blame for this mess are the Tories.

[Clavinova]

And nothing at all to do with the legitimate businesses that operate across the border?

You are right of course - I had just been reading the other thread about the bomb.

Where did you read that BTW?
An Irish newspaper article on the 'new' IRA - dated 2018 I believe. The conclusion was my own.

[Mistigri]

Pre the GFA both sides made a lot of money out of smuggling. A hard border would create some big financial opportunities for terrorist groups.

[PerverseConverse]

Just to be clear: I don't want a hard border and want to Remain in the EU.

[FinallyHere]

I shared this on Facebook shortly after the result of the referendum was announced, as i could see no way forward that would respect the GFA. Can't imagine the sort of countries queueing up to make 'deals' outside the EU with a country which had reneged on the internationally ratified GFA

[BWatchWatcher]

It’s worth noting that one party that was against the GFA was the DUP.

[Confusedbeetle]

"They need to be seen to have the exact same rules, laws,treatment as the rest of the UK."
in that case abortion and gay marriage laws should be the same

[beanaseireann]

bellinisurge
Ireland has been a colony of Britain since approx 1169.
It was "planted" with settlers from outside of Ireland and the native Irish were treated very harshly. They were not allowed to be educated, practise their religion or be successful in farming or business.
Ireland was ruled by the English, despite many revolts and insurrections, til there was a rising in 1916 which led to a War of Independence.
In negotiating a truce/ peace treaty the Irish traded six counties of Ulster ( in the North) which had at that time a Protestant majority whose ancestors had come over and settled there from England and Scotland and displaced forcibly the Irish off their lands. The rest of Ireland was given freedom from British rule.
The irony is that Ulster was the last bastion of Irish rebellion throughout the centuries but with its defeat ( around the 1600s ) its native people were treated the most harshly and lost their land and homes to the new settlers.
So to say Ireland was never united is wrong.
It was.
But that idiot Dermot Mc Murrough invited Strongbow over and the rest is Irish history

[bellinisurge]

@beanaseireann , my late mum was Irish. Not news to me. Ireland has never been a united independent nation.