What do Leavers expect us to do? So angry.

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I am a British national living in the EU. I didn't get a vote. I don't know what my position will be after Brexit. Today I saw a video of the Brexit secretary admitting that he didn't know whether we would be allowed to live in the UK with the same rights as other UK citizens. What?? Not only did we not get to vote, our lives have been turned upside down, but if I decide to uproot my family and come to the UK, I'll potentially treated as a second class citizen! Moving abroad was perfectly legal, even encouraged as an ESL teacher - why does the government think we should be punished?

recently It's disgusting. A close friend with three children doesn't yet know whether her husband will be allowed to remain in the UK and see his children grow up.

I cannot believe it's come to this.

People don't have a fucking clue about the difficulties Brexit entails.

The government are more concerned about appeasing nationalists and racists than protecting the vast majority of the UK and its citizens, here and abroad.

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I am not sure what you said is true. If you are a British citizen holding a British passport I would be surprised and seriously panicked if this were the case (being in the same boat).
Members of the cabinet and many MPs are spouting all manner of rubbish at the moment and it is easy to miss the odd word that changes the meaning of what is being said.
Today, especially is not a good day to be listening to any politician they are going into severe headless chicken mode. This may continue for a while yet which of course is nervewracking.

I am sure we will be allowed back (although pro ably not my EU husband?) but I think he was referring to benefits which would require previous residency. As per usual, only the rich will be able to afford to move.

What video did you see OP? As another Brit currently living in the EU I'd be interested to watch it if you have a link?

He may have been talking about ‘habitual residence’ which means returners are sometimes (usually) unable to claim welfare benefits - deeply unfair especially if your return is not what you want en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Habitual_residence_test

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As a spouse I am fairly sure he will be OK, but it might depend on how badly Mrs May wants to rip up previous commitments. The £30K 'entry fee' is not set in stone and there will be exceptions.

I can't find the video! It was on Twitter. I'll have another look.

Ok found it! He's actually the Minister for Exiting the EU. Shame he doesn't know the answer to what is surely quite a basic question? mobile.twitter.com/AlexTaylorNews/status/1084564013286150144

"I am a British national living in the EU."

It is to be hoped that if there is another vote, you and your ilk will get to join in.

recently - I don't know how you can expect a definitive answer right at the moment when we are in the midst of all this!!

I lived in the EU during the vote and was able to vote, have you lived out of the UK a long time? Not that it matters you should obviously be allowed to vote either way! It's so silly isn't it, Brexit is just the biggest nonsense ever. It almost feels like an April fool that has gone very wrong.

@Doubletrouble99 But Brexit supporters claim to know exactly what they voted for, so surely they can answer the OP's question?

Stringofpearls - I was over the 15 year limit but ironically we were considering moving back.
Doubletrouble - I know but the whole thing is ridiculous. We were told (along with EU citizens in the UK) that nothing would change. That's a blatant lie.

I do know exactly what I voted for but neither I nor the government have any control over what is happening in parliament at the moment or what the other 27 countries in the EU might decide.
recently - there's no blatant lie! we know what we want to happen but no one can categorically stipulate what will happen at this moment in time.

Chris Heaton-Harris is an idiot - this was the bloke who wrote to all universities asking them to declare what they are teaching their students about Brexit and to provide a list of teachers’ names.

The British government hasn't even considered British citizens abroad. We've just been written off. I don't regard a vote as democratic when millions of people who are affected by it aren't allowed to vote.

recently - nearly everyone knows a UK-national living in the EU and vice versa and you haven't been "forgotten". The 'uncertainty' you are feeling is felt by all right now.

Just wait and see what happens, probably very little, and you will have as much time as anyone else to adapt.

It wasn't democratic, recently. It's that simple. We've been disenfranchised, which is hardly the sign of a civilized democracy. But not much about theUK is civilized right now.

I'm in a better position than most, having got citizenship in my adopted country some years ago, and DH isn't British in any case - we were always unlikely to return to the UK. But this has been the nail in the coffin - the Brits are now totally fucked for no good reason apart from the idiocy of a tiny majority, and while I do feel saddened, the fact that we have been so clearly excluded tempers that sadness somewhat.

I'd do everything to stay in the EU. This place is going down the swanny. Brexit has legitimised all the latent xenophobia and hatred and pettiness and brought out the worst in people.

The British government hasn't even considered British citizens abroad.

They don't give a stuff about millions of people here, you can hardly expect them to care about Brits abroad.

I think he was referring to benefits which would require previous residency
Have you been making NI contributions? If so you will be entitled to benefits but if not you wouldn’t be entitled to most, but that’s no different to how it is now I think, is it? DH lived and worked abroad for a few years but kept up the NI contributions to make sure his entitlement remained intact. Have the EU country you are in not declared how they will view British citizens living there? Horrible uncertainty.

we know what we want to happen but no one can categorically stipulate what will happen at this moment in time.

Funny that there is no definition of what Leavers want other than cake and eat it.

Not you again Bear with your stupid cake and eat it comment!
What I was referring to is the crux of the thread in that as a leaver I want to make sure all British citizens living in the EU and EU citizens living in the UK are able to continue to living where they want.

I'm sorry but you still will be a British citizen, but if you've been out the country and therefore not paying taxes, why do you believe you should be entitled to anything if you return??