Eastern Europeans leaving.

[RomanyRoots]

Hi, I just wondered if this was widespread and if many people know of Eastern Europeans leaving the UK.
We have good friends who are Polish and they have moved to Scotland and have heard my dsis in another area say likewise, several Polish families have returned.
We don't have many in our area, but my dsis has a lot of Romanians in her workplace that seem to be staying.

Several of my Eastern European friends have taken jobs in Germany. They are allowed to work there now - not sure why not before - and the exchange rate with the Euro is better for them.
But another, who is married to a Brit, has stayed.

I've heard of several couples living in Spain who have their NHS appointments addressed to family addresses, come over and get treatment.
Yeah right. More Daily Heil provocation without a shred of evidence.

My friends parents do it. He had heart surgery the mum had treatment for cancer. They come back when their dc inform them of an appointment.
I know of a few others as well. I don't read newspapers.

A good friend of mine has gone hime to Poland after some nasty racial attacks where her car was daubed with abuse and she suffered taunts of " go back home polak"
Charming! Is this what we've become

Portia

That is despicable but sadly not surprising. I'm so sorry for your friend

Romany,
Ah so you mean freeloading Brits using the NHS when they are not entitled to. Classy. Especially as Spanish healthcare is just as good as that in the UK.

But then Spain has to fund and reclaim thousands of Brits who are on EHIC or nothing and get in trouble while on drunken beach holidays.

NHS entitlement is residence based not income based.

So British citizens with a full NI record, who are still paying higher rate UK taxes are not entitled to NHS treatment if they are resident in the EU.

But EU (and non EU) citizens resident in UK are entitled to NHS treatment whether or not theyhave/are contributing through tax and NI.

British citizens resident in the EU who receive UK state pensions/disability benefits have their health care costs covered by the UK (S1). It may work out cheaper for UK inc for them to return to UK for treatment on occasions than for them to be treated abroad - especially if UK family can help with convalescent care.

Talkin

I think so
I just know a few who do this, I don't think it's indicative of all expats in Spain, at all.

Tbh, right or wrong I'm so pleased friends mum is still with us. Sounds awful but she hates her dad, so not so sure there.

Talkin - no, they won’t be choosing between England and returning to Poland/Romania. They’ll go to Germany/the Netherlands/Belgium where schools, healthcare and housing are all just as good if not better than in England.

I know this is a stupid question, but as it's my thread
What is the likelihood that our dc will still be able to study and temp work in European countries in the future. I'm thinking Germany.
I must get read up on the effects of Brexit.

I was just pondering the Romanian born people I know.

One of them is a consultant at Great Ormond street not only helping save children's lives but paying a lot of tax and investing in property etc here.

Another one is a teacher who goes over and above the call of duty on a daily basis.

Another is s cleaner- a very good reliable one.

Generalisations and narrow mindedness are dangerous.

I teach ESOL (English for speakers of other languages) in a further education college and have definitely noticed a drop in our EU students

{What is the likelihood that our dc will still be able to study and temp work in European countries in the future. I'm thinking Germany.}
They will be able to go but it would not be a 'right' as they would not be EU members. No idea what the costs would be but there would be more paperwork/visa stuff to be done.
For many things what is currently a 'right' becomes a 'probability'.

Thank you, my dd wants to go, but a few years away yet.

lonely

Will the people you know be staying do you think? It's worrying if much of our labour force will go.
My Dentist is Polish, she's the best I've ever had and have had some in my time (terrible teeth)

I think studying will be fine on student Visa’s. Working may be more tricky. I expect European companies to stop holding UK auditions soon.

Working in the EU will be very difficult after Brexit as recruiters will need to prove that there was no EU national capable of doing the job before employing a non EU national.

I had been wondering how it would affect the Entertainment industry.
But it can't be as bad as for the defecting Russian Ballerinas of the past.

Interesting to see if this will actually be a thing - I'm not in a huge multicultural area but we do have a good polish community. They contribute a lot and the town would miss them if there was suddenly a huge decrease in numbers. I have to say I always find the Polish people I come across to be friendly and polite.

Bonsoir

I hope our little England are capable of producing the best then, or we're knackered.

A significant number of universities are already having financial trouble because they are losing EU students. Students from outside the EU (eg China) no longer have the benefit of the UK being part of a larger group, so are even more likely to choose the USA for their higher education. Universities will suffer on all levels, and there will be knock,-on damage for science and culture in this country.

My husband is Greek/Australian. Discussion on our dinner table everyday is should we leave now, and which country? I don't think Brexit will affect us much job wise. We are more worry about the hate crime & standard of living going forward.

I know several families who are leaving/have already left. Not just Eastern European but Dutch and French too. All highly qualified people who have contributed greatly.

My former Dutch colleague commented that he loved this country and thought he had made it a permanent home for himself and his family. However, he wasn't prepared to keep on paying his (higher rate) taxes into the system while we fucked around deciding whether or not he was welcome. There just wasn't enough certainty for him. They are in Germany now.

The true complexity of leaving is staggering and the EU /UK relations are tied up with almost everything.
The WA at 585 pages is basically a summary of what needs discussing, not the discussion itself.
Those who talk about WTO trade deals, the recent EU/Japan deal runs to 20,000 pages and took about 10 years, The UK will need to renegotiate about 70 trade deals IIRC.

Earning potential in the UK / Western Europe is often double or even triple that of Central and Eastern Europe. If these guys leave the UK they definitely won’t be returning to their country of origin but to another EU country.

What isn’t in the news is that since Brexit was announced professional Indian people have been forced to go back to India in droves as companies re-evaluate UK resourcing requirements. Most of these guys would need to be redeployed to Ireland but since the incident a few years back re: an Indian woman not getting a medical abortion when needed Ireland has developed a bad reputation amongst family orientated prospective employees. As most Indian people rarely want to live in Germany or France, that means Europe as a whole (including the UK) is sitting on a recruitment time-bomb for everything from medicine to banking.

My partner is Romanian. He is staying. I hope!

You know who hates the kind of Romanians who beg, commit crime in the UK & generally act like scummy human beings the most? The vast majority of UK Romanians who are NOT like that, but who get tarred by the same brush and widely discriminated against.

It’s like judging all British women on the likes of Myra Hindley, Katie Hopkins or Kerry Katona.