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Eastern Europeans leaving.

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RomanyRoots · 08/01/2019 11:12

Hi, I just wondered if this was widespread and if many people know of Eastern Europeans leaving the UK.
We have good friends who are Polish and they have moved to Scotland and have heard my dsis in another area say likewise, several Polish families have returned.
We don't have many in our area, but my dsis has a lot of Romanians in her workplace that seem to be staying.

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Undercoverbanana · 08/01/2019 13:27

I work at Aldi. The East Europeans staff are the hardest working and best at customer service, despite the appalling treatment by some Little Englander customers.

Undercoverbanana · 08/01/2019 13:31

Sorry - posted too early.

Some of them are worried about Brexit and considering going home but many have settled and married and have families here now.

They are very open minded about going to other European countries to live. They are not put off by language barriers and are adept at learning new ways of life.

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RomanyRoots · 08/01/2019 13:34

Boris

This cohort didn't.
They live in an MHO and share beds, the night staff have the bed during the day and then they swop.
At Christmas when offered to go early they were hanging around drinking in the park as nowhere to go as others sleeping.
I think it's disgusting they are expected/allowed to live in the squalor they do, and feel sorry for them

As for the toilets it's not a lie, nor exaggerated, it's not my dsis job to do it, she does the same job as they do.
Management asked her to do it as she was the only girl. She had to take them in two at a time and show them what to do.
The toilets were disgusting and not even staff but the ones required for visitors, located in the reception area of the business.
The cleaners were refusing to go in, there was shit smeared on the walls.

As I said, I don't agree with racism and there's good and bad in all communities and societies.

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williteverend99 · 08/01/2019 13:54

Quietrebel

The constituency profile at the end of this article was amended on 8 January 2019. An earlier version said the percentage of non-UK born people in Bolsover was 2.6%. That was based on 2016 figures from the Office for National Statistics; 2017’s data puts the figure at around 9%. This has been corrected

I think this illustrates the problem with figures on immigration. The 9% (in 2017 - up from the 2.6% originally quoted) is for the whole of the Bolsover constituency. The figures for Shirebrook will be very different - with a much higher number of low skilled migrants, many of whom have arrived in the last five years.

It’s like the Bradford Metropolitam area saying that 20% of the population is of Pakistani descent. This is doubtless true. But the experience of those living in the lovely market town of Skipton will be very different from that of people living in the deprived inner city of Manningham where that figure will look very different.

And that explains why these areas voted differently in the referendum.

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RomanyRoots · 08/01/2019 14:02

There are a lot of racists in our area of the NW and they voted leave, we don't have a huge amount of Eastern Europeans like other areas and still voted leave.
In Crewe they voted leave.
I agree those with a large influx or those with high number of racists were voting leave, quite a lot in the NW, haven't looked at other areas.
I didn't vote leave, so not in the same camp, but it does nobody any good to pretend there aren't social issues and language barriers to overcome in some cases.

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lalalonglegs · 08/01/2019 14:06

Skipton isn't part of "Bradford Metropolitan Area" - it's more than 20 miles away and in a different county Confused.

williteverend99 · 08/01/2019 14:16

Apologies. I was thinking of Ilkley.

bellinisurge · 08/01/2019 14:22

My Polish pals got uk citizenship a few years ago.

lalalonglegs · 08/01/2019 14:54

@willit - you're right, Skipton is a lovely market town Smile.

Tonsilss · 08/01/2019 15:04

It's a great loss to the UK and those of us who will be trapped in this little island, with the racists. It's going to be very very hard to find a dentist, builder, plumber etc. And the fruit will rot in the fields.

NomsQualityStreets · 08/01/2019 15:13

I have noticed people leaving the UK. A lot of Polish people I know have moved or are making plans for moving back but it's a mixture of things from what they have said.

  1. The situation in Poland has improved and the average earnings are on the rise - I know at least 4 couples/families who have moved back and are better paid or at least on the similar wages as in the UK.
  1. They don't feel welcome here since the Brexit vote and are uncertain of their future.
  1. Some have said they feel safer in Poland than in the UK since the terror attacks. They said that Poland hasn't had any as they have very strict policies on letting people into the country - apparently you need to prove you're qualified/can contribute in a positive way to the society.
I'm assuming something along the lines of Australia?

IDK. But that's what I'm getting from it all.

BonsoirBonsoir · 08/01/2019 15:16

The French schools in London are, for the first time in years, short of pupils.

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RomanyRoots · 08/01/2019 15:23

This is an interesting read.
Quite a lot of Eastern European workers are Roma, it will be interesting to see what happens regarding being allowed to stay.
www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jul/02/roma-communities-fear-deportation-in-post-brexit-britain

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jasjas1973 · 08/01/2019 15:23

I think most eu citizens will stay. They'll have their lives built here

I worked abroad for years, i went back to the UK when the country i was in changed and the UK started doing very well.

Migrant workers are exactly that, they tend to be the best that their country has and are adaptable and willing to move very quickly, so the 3 eu nurses who looked after mum Mum have all gone back, my 2 Polish friends also, they tell me now that Poles are pouring back into Poland from UK.

The most skilled will be the first to move to the mainland, so much will depend on how our economy performs relative to Europe.

Ta1kinPeace · 08/01/2019 15:56

Less that they are leaving
than that the seasonal ones will not arrive in the first week of March

The lads at my car wash (Hungarian, Romanian, Bulgarian, Kosovan) say that those without definite work will stay on mainland Europe.
And they will go back as soon as they have saved enough.

The ones who are settled - and whose kids are in schools will stay put.

But the young fit singletons who keep the agriculture / care / hospitality industries going
will not keep coming
which is a rather big problem for the UK

BonsoirBonsoir · 08/01/2019 16:10

The ones who are settled - and whose kids are in schools will stay put.

Not necessarily. Some EU citizens are waiting to see whether Brexit really happens and, if it does, plan to move to a country where their children’s future looks rather different to a post-Brexit UK.

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RomanyRoots · 08/01/2019 16:17

I wondered this too, surely if they are settled and kids in school, decent wage, then surely they will save and go for better than what Brexit will deliver us.

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williteverend99 · 08/01/2019 16:20

@TalkinPeace

Are the Kosovans at your car wash exercising EU freedom of movement rights?

Ta1kinPeace · 08/01/2019 16:24

Bonsoir
The thread asked about East Europeans.
For our sins, UK schools, hospitals and infrastructure are much better than many East European countries.

The Poles round here all come from southern Poland (Founder effect and none of them are Roma) - agricultural areas that still have few opportunities.
Those that are settled - couples with kids and one of their mums - will stay put.
The car wash boys are much more mobile and many will leave.
The cleaner at my gym did not see her kids this Christmas as she could not afford to fly home. If the pound tanks against other currencies, she will leave.

Ta1kinPeace · 08/01/2019 16:29

willit
No the Kosovan chap came as a 12 year old refugee from the war and was settled here
(along with 1m other escapees from that awful conflict).
He is saving up to buy a house back in Kosovo and set up a business there.

HaveAnotherCuppa · 08/01/2019 16:29

^It should be a requirement to show proof of earnings. Would stop the health tourists

The NHS never asks for proof of earnings. They ask how long you have been in the UK for. I believe a year is the minimum, and if you are British and have lived abroad for a long time, you are also not entitled. (lets hope Spain lets the Brits stay there)

Ta1kinPeace · 08/01/2019 16:43

It should be a requirement to show proof of earnings. Would stop the health tourists
What about Brits who have never paid a penny in tax or NI
are they not scroungers?

Just because they are still at school is NO excuse

juneau · 08/01/2019 16:44

One of my Polish cleaners left immediately after the Brexit vote in 2016 Sad

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RomanyRoots · 08/01/2019 17:02

HaveAnotherCuppa

I've heard of several couples living in Spain who have their NHS appointments addressed to family addresses, come over and get treatment.

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DGRossetti · 08/01/2019 17:04

3. Some have said they feel safer in Poland than in the UK since the terror attacks. They said that Poland hasn't had any as they have very strict policies on letting people into the country

Which begs the question as to why the UK seems to have a problem HmmHmmHmmHmmHmmHmmHmmHmm

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