Are you afraid? Brexit.

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I feel very uneasy about what the future holds for us after Brexit but am I just overreacting? Can it really be so terrible? Why is no one around me talking about this in real life, you would think it would be a hot topic.

Why this self destruction mode for everyone? Awful stuff IMO.

@CreativeMumma how you invest in precious metal... You don't have gold bars under the bed do you? I would be very grateful if you could tell me more.

If you have a share dealing account you can buy physical precious metals via ETFs (exchange traded funds) which means you don't have to store bars under your bed (the bars are held by a bank in a vault and you own a share of them). But because they are considered high risk investments you will have to answer some questions before they let you trade.

Thanks @Mistigri I've never traded (in anything!) But always thought it would be a good investment and wondered how it works.

I've skipped from half way through to here cos I have a question:

DS1 is19, first yr at English uni, doing Computing ; DS2 is Y13, about to do an art foundation prior to a English uni Graphic Design course.

All the family hold dual Australian nationality.

DH is 58, I'm 56. We own our home, maybe £500k.

I'm a Brit, family came when eldest DS was 4 (15yrs ago). DH Oz born. Kids been 'back' to Oz once.

Should we go?

Would you?

I wouldn’t be uprooting my family yet. However it’s always good to have a fallback plan.
DH and I discussed at the weekend our options if things turned disastrous (which I truly hope would never be the case) No dual nationality here but we would look at Australia.

The situation in Australia is hardly brilliant I gather from a friend living in Melbourne.
I have always loved Aus and I would go but I would not be eligible now.
If I were you, on balance I would probably go. The 'mentality' of some Australians is slightly different to 'Brits' and I believe that this can bother women more than men. It is difficult to see the UK recovering for tens of years. So many questions need answering for you.

Believe me the whole world is laughing at the incompetence of the UK right now, and rightly so

I don't think they give a toss. We're really not that interesting to people overseas.

I'd prefer no deal in preference to the Theresa Mays option. Imo there are 2 options - no deal or staying in the EU. Anything else is a 'fudge'

I'd prefer a fudge to no food - and in any event a fudge (ie compromise) is what you need in a situation where the vote was nearly 50-50. Anyway this is only the transition deal, not the long term deal. Nobody seems to get that (except David Lidington who was talking a lot of sense on Radio 4's Today programme this morning, about the only one I've heard with a clue).

Miljah. Because the UK is currently planning to leave (or more likely leave in name only) the EU, you are considering moving to Australia, a country that is not and has never been in the EU. Where is the logic? If you think Australia is a better place to live, then surely a UK outside the EU could be equally good.
Go there if you prefer the climate, not because we may or may not leave a political union, which even its biggest fans admit has faults as well as virtues.

Satsumaeater good post. It's not often you get a sensible non-hysterical voice on these Brexit threads.

{Satsumaeater good post. It's not often you get a sensible non-hysterical voice on these Brexit threads.}
On some certainly but if you would like a (largely) thoughtful discussion get yourself a large coffee and cake/biscuits and dive into the Westminsterenders threads. The regulars will happily discuss anything that is more insightful than 'we won get over it' although if someone who claims this can articulate WHAT they have won it would be nice and given a good hearing.

I moved to the mainland with my British husband, after having lived and worked and paid taxes in the UK for over 20 years. I have an EU passport, I'm worried if I'm ever allowed back in the UK. My DH luckily can stay on mainland as all British nationals living in our country have already been told they are allowed to stay, but still need a permit. Luckily in our case, we have been here for more than 5 years and he speaks the local lingo, so not applicable to my DH, but still. I do wonder about our UK pensions we have built up etc. and how we can easily travel to UK to see in-laws and extended family.

{ If you think Australia is a better place to live, then surely a UK outside the EU could be equally good.}
There is a major difference. Australia, despite difficulties is furthering ties with the ASEAN countries and is forward looking. The UK in contrast has embarked on a suicide mission and beyond March 29th, no viable plan has been presented to explain where new industry (to replace the 2 Million or so good paying jobs that will head off to Euroland). The government is focusing on things like feeding the UK which suggests that real long term planning has gone out the window. David Livington 'gets it' but parliament as a whole does not yet have a real grasp of the situation.

{and how we can easily travel to UK to see in-laws and extended family.}
That is not an issue, you don't need to worry. A visa MIGHT be necessary but unless you are a criminal it is a formality and maybe a few quid.

I'd prefer a fudge to no food - and in any event a fudge (ie compromise) is what you need in a situation where the vote was nearly 50-50. Anyway this is only the transition deal, not the long term deal. Nobody seems to get that (except David Lidington who was talking a lot of sense on Radio 4's Today programme this morning, about the only one I've heard with a clue). Absolutely this.

Me too @derxa

And me derxa

What satsuma says about compromise is exactly what should have been happening from the start, the lack of compromise is partly whats caused a lot of the problems with the apparent split in the country

I guess compromise is not exciting enough for some people. We're not fighting WW2 where the decision had to be made to defeat a dangerous enemy. It's about sensible decisions which affect the smooth running of ordinary people's way of life. If Michael Barnier gave an order to attack the UK with missiles then I might change my mind.

The negotiations should have been cross party

{ If Michael Barnier gave an order to attack the UK with missiles then I might change my mind.}
The EU don't need to be that aggressive. Just stopping ferries and planes would have a devastating effect.
Actually pretty much what a 'No Deal' looks like, thus the UK will do it to itself.

The prospect of the UK receiving food from the USA or elsewhere is a bit of a non starter as efficient food supplies use RoRo ferries from short hops over the channel. The ships necessary for supply from the USA or elsewhere are the wrong type.

I'm with Kikipost on this, I do think it will blow over, once the UK revokes Art 50.

Why does no one debate the simple point that if MPs arevthis

Sorry

Why does no one debate the simple point that if MPs are this divided, and it's this difficult ...and the polls show that the people have changed their minds... then perhaps it's just not the right thing to do right now.

Oops wrong thread. Stressful day!

Lonely.
The MPs have until 29 March to get their act together. They started it and deserve no sympathy.