Are you afraid? Brexit.

[Puddelchen]

I feel very uneasy about what the future holds for us after Brexit but am I just overreacting? Can it really be so terrible? Why is no one around me talking about this in real life, you would think it would be a hot topic.

KennDodd. I doubt they voted either way. I'm on the same side as Frank Field.

But it that's the game you want to play, you're on the same side as Tony Blair and Jeremy Clarkson.

The thing is that I'm not worried about the criteria - I'm not a criminal, I've worked here until going on maternity leave and have not claimed benefits (not sure if that will mean anything for the application), I own a business here with my DH and by the end of the transition period, I will have been here for over 5 years.

However, my worry is that the people in charge of processing the applications will make mistakes. They're not perfect - they are human beings, and if looking at the track record of departments dealing with applications and similar, mistakes are made - and it could happen to anyone.
If an application is rejected, will an appeal be sorted before someone is deported?

If we were to end up with a no deal scenario, what's to say that the UK will allow EU nationals to stay in the future? Maybe they'll change the terms over time?

Even with T.May's deal, our rights have changed from being welcome here without having to pay or apply to stay, to now having to apply to stay, with a risk of rejection. That's a really unpleasant situation to be in.
My FIL voted for Brexit, and he told me that he wanted to get rid of foreigners, (but obviously not me). He told me that nothing would change for me and that I was being stupid for thinking otherwise - but things are changing for me (and everyone else).

There are EU nationals who have lived here for decades and who have older children who will be uprooted if their applications were to be rejected.
A few weeks ago, I talked to an EU national who has lived here for 15-20 years. Her children are born here - one child has applied and been granted a British passport, the other child has applied for a British passport, but it has been rejected.

On top of that, there's been a rise in EU nationals reporting that they are feeling depressed, anxious, that they are suffering with panic attacks and that they are feeling suicidal because of the uncertainty of Brexit.
I am finding it utterly unfair and inhumane to treat people like this.

I am fucking terrified.

Just before we sunk everything into a lifestyle change, in the hospitality industry.

So basically bought property at the height of property prices. After a really shit 4 years after my partner got made redundant it seemed like a way of getting our lives on track.

I am furious and would like to see Cameron's head on a spike outside the Tower of London.

He risked this country's future to make a point with his public school rival.

If anyone is scrum it's him.

And do they give a fuck about us, the people at the bottom? No they don't.

Who would vote for a recession and possible economic collapse?

I work with some of the most senior and influential hardnosed bankers in Europe. They think we are crazy.

Yes, I suspect our business will struggle due to it’s nature.

I'm not afraid.

Also wrt the y2k comparison, I remember the hyperbole we were fed in the lead up to 1/1/2000. I acknowledge that it was thanks to the work that went into preparing and getting y2k ready that things went smoothly and the world carried on just the same as it did on 31/1/1999. Computer experts have confirmed that they were confident that there would be no significant problems due to the preparations made and press releases to this effect were issued but the media at the time chose to ignore this as the headlines 'planes will drop from our skies' was far more interesting. It did cause unnecessary panic and lots were swept up into a frenzy.

You can't compare the 2! There are economic experts warning of disaster. This is not media frenzy.

Christ.

One is around computers. One is economic hell. Different.

I am an EU national (from Scandinavia), married to a British national, living in the UK. We are expecting a child (due this week).
^You will definitely be able to stay. No question. If anyone suggests otherwise that is shameful scaremongering.*

Says the Brit who will not be affected....
Just like a white ierson would not date telling a black persons how to feel about racism, please don't tell an eu citizen hue to feel about the whole settled status etc..., because to be frank you have absolutely no idea how it has been fur them.

I have lived in pure fear/panic fir the last 2.5 years
Because 1- the government has made it clear we are just bargaining chips.
2- because it has proven time and time again it will change its mind
3- because the windrush 'issue' hasn't been solved. The deep structural issue within the HO are still there
4- because if the hostile environment and the constant dehumanising vocabulary used withi the HO
5- because as eu citizens, unlike any other immigrants we will NOT have a piece of paper to prove we reside legally in the UK. Abdcwe will be the only ones from2020 (newly eu migrants will have a stamp in their passport like all other immigrants)
Shall I continue???

Tbh nowadays, I dont care anymore. The uk used to be my home. 20 years in this country, a British husband (who is the reason I moved here) and two dcs are pretty good reasons to feel like this. But the constant xenophobic réthorique as well as the change in general behaviour means it's not my home anymore. So I'm just bindi g inmy time jntilmy dcs have finished school and I can go away. Anywhere it staying in the country that has kicked me in the teeth whilst I was lying in the ground. And carry on doing so.

Bye can I ask all the posters who are so terrified.
Why are not in the streets to shout about your fears and your refusal if a No Deal/WA/whatever?
Have you written to your MP?
Have you written to the PM?
What have you to stop what you clearly see to be insane?

It isn’t a war or a huge tsunami.
It isn’t what I want: I voted remain but I will prepare in whatever way feels sensible.

I have one family member undergoing chemo. My husband isn’t working and our savings have been badly hit by global markets crashing. I work in a volatile creative industry and we are supporting two children in higher education.
so I am not complacent.

But what is the point of panic?

@QueenieIsLost - massive March in London already. Letters to MPs etc etc. Like that you mean. Like the stuff that people are already doing. Wonder why you didn't notice the March.

@QueenieIsLost

They’re buying extra bog roll and expressing their terror on a parenting forum

Wonder why you didn't notice the March.

Perhaps because beyond a few photos in the nationals and a brief clip on sky news it sunk without a trace

My husband isn’t working and our savings have been badly hit by global markets crashing.

Excuse me? What global market crash are you referring to?

Oh I see, in the past. Presumably you’re not referring to a global market crash post referendum because no such thing has occurred

Wonder why you didn't notice the March.

Or maybe because what is needed isn’t ONE March, however big it is.
But many many more marches?

Because, clearly one March hasnt worked. One March hasn’t been enough to bring the message that a big part of the population isn’t happy and therefore to make it a fact that you can’t just brushed aside? Which is exactly what the government is currently doing.

As for writing to MPs, I know you have. I know people on a certain thread have. But the others? I don’t know ANYONE who has written to their MPs in RL.
I suspect many of the posters in this thread who are seriously anxious about Brexit haven’t either.

It’s very easy to think that because you know some people who are doing the same than you, then everyone has. But that’s not the case.
If it was, MPs wouldn’t have any hesitation in backing a second referendum because they would know for sure that people are behind that.

What I do see in RL is people telling me there is no point writing to MPs because either they won’t get back to them or it won’t make any changes....

Yes, I have!

MP basically told me to get lost. He disagrees with me.

It is SO terrifying.

I live in a strongly Leave voting area; My MP is strongly Remain but has abstained on some of the key votes. I can't blame him. I'm not going to add to his pressures. MY MP is a rare LibDem in deep blue country.

@QueenieIsLost , don't worry there's plenty of action being taken. I hope another March is organised.
Given the levels of abuse thrown at people who aren't BeLeavers, it's hard going.
Hope you have written to your MP.

No one is talking about it because most of us voted leave and would still vote leave, but the remainers are so... let's say... "vocal" that it's easier just to let them panic out loud and not get involved with an argument that we can't win because apparently the country is "going to shit" (in their minds).

I have written to my (ex) MP. Got no reply mind you except a 'newsletter' saying how many places she has been photographed in.

Yep. Now that the high of Christmas is over I'm back to feeling a gnawing dread over Brexit.

Myself and nearly everyone I know voted remain. With some notable exceptions, my family voted leave. I think they'd still vote leave if we had another vote, they're pretty adamant it's the best thing to do. For various reasons - father: we'd have to join the EU army and pay lots of taxes to Brussels, mother is against immigration. It's caused several arguments between us (instigated by me, I feel betrayed and worried for my future. Parents have a "let's wait and see/it's going to be ok" mentality). Parents have paid off their mortgage and do ok financially. Brother also voted leave, he has young DC. He has a pretty good salary but not a millionaire or anything. I'm pretty scared, I've worked hard to get where I am but am not financially comfortable but at least I can afford things just now. Who knows what will change in a few months.

At least I don't have children to support and I'm healthy. I have my job.
I live alone and have a mortgage on my flat. But I'm scared that I'll lose the flat or end up in negative equity or something. I'm not very financially savvy but I'm doing ok so far in life. I like travelling when I've saved a bit but who knows what will happen once prices rise. It's survival I'm concerned about. I'm already seeing food prices rising and Brexit hasn't even happened yet. I've built up a small stockpile of food but dunno how long it will last.

I was thinking about this earlier and I liken Brexit to going in an aeroplane and being told that you have two choices. Someone tells you, "You can either decide that the plane will land with you in it at the end of the flight, then you get out and go home safely. OR you can jump out at 10,000 ft. Here's a parachute, but there's a 50% chance that it will not deploy. Your choice". Who the fuck would take that chance?!

I wrote to my MP stating my concerns about Brexit. I received a standard issue copy and paste response from his office about how he believes it's in the best interests of the country etc etc. I didn't expect any other from him, unfortunately he's a safe Tory seat and thinks he's untouchable. He's never voted against his party on any issue and is totally spineless in my opinion.

I'm really worried. I'm a lone parent just getting by on an average wage. I'm moving from 4 days to 5 next month to try and be less reliant on tax credits but by the time I pay the additional childcare costs I'll be a bit worse off. I've no family support and will be almost £500pm for wrap around and holiday childcare. If things get worse financially I'm not sure I'll cope. Cost of living goes up, tax credits are cut.. If heaven forbid I'm made redundant I'll default on my credit card payments or my car. I work in banking so if that happens I won't get another job. My situation is fairly vulnerable. I'm literally losing sleep over this it's so stressful.