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Westminstenders: Welcome to 2019

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RedToothBrush · 30/12/2018 00:26

Welcome to 2019.

Bit of a different thread starter; instead of me speculating what are your predictions for the coming year politically? Will be interesting to see how people are viewing things right now.

How is Brexit going to play out?

Who is going to be framed as the scapegoat for whatever scenario you think likely?

What are going to be the biggest political issues that the media / politicians push (as opposed to what the real issues are)?

What is going to be the most shocking thing that will happen either here or abroad?

What will happen with Trump?

Who will be the next Tory leader and when?

Whats on the cards for the various political parties in general?

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SingingBabooshkaBadly · 01/01/2019 01:20

Happy New Year to Red and all you other wonderful, knowledgeable and sane posters. The world needs more people like you. Wishing you all a healthy, happy and peaceful New Year. Sincere wishes for some sort of miraculous turn-around.

Hazardswan · 01/01/2019 01:56

Whhooooo! 2018 is so yesterday! Grin

TheElementsSong · 01/01/2019 09:01

Wishing you all a Happy New Year, although I'm not feeling happy or optimistic at all Sad

Mrsr8 · 01/01/2019 09:02

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lonelyplanetmum · 01/01/2019 09:03

Happy New Year and thanks to RTB and to all other Westminsterenders. Here is hoping that the New Year brings similar logical, researched, insightful, fact based approaches at the real Westminster and some sort of miracle too.

Let's hope that 2019 brings some unfashionable compassion and more support for people like Mrsr8. Here is hoping that the 52% rise in demand for food banks in the 5th/7th richest country in the world is seen as the true crisis.

borntobequiet · 01/01/2019 09:32

^^ what lonely said about the true crisis.

ThereWillBeAdequateFood · 01/01/2019 09:47

Happy New Year everyone.

For 2019 I’m hoping for the best but preparing for the worst. Prepping will notch up a year now.

1tisILeClerc · 01/01/2019 09:53

{Whhooooo! 2018 is so yesterday!}
This may sound a bit 'bitchy' but the fireworks in London looked the same as the previous year.
Worse, Mrs May now pronouncing that the UK is 'open for business' and having the new years greetings in 7 languages. The last 2 1/2 years and all the visible preparations so far are about isolationism. If she had simplified her message to 'we're buggered' it would have some ring of truth about it.
Maybe rather than 7 languages of Europe they could have used Gaelic, Welsh, Irish and English for starters, possibly a couple of the stronger regional dialects as well.

1tisILeClerc · 01/01/2019 09:56

Actually the fireworks should have been the cabinet members with a handful of sparklers each and the money used for the big display to have been spent on meals and 'comfort' for all the rough sleepers over Christmas.

zoemelb · 01/01/2019 10:01

Happy New Year. Although not feeling optimistic about the Brexit process, but I'm hoping it won't be a no deal scenario. I don't understand the logic of people or politicians supporting for WA or "no deal". It doesn't make any sense at all. Confused It's the worst of everything. How can someone just blindly supporting it? Angry
What will happen to the Ireland & Northern Ireland border, in the case of no deal? At least with "bad deal", there won't be a border or custom check.
Also, a word of warming for British, I'm currently using Australian passport to travel in and out of UK. It isn't fun at all when you travel around Europe with non-EU passport. The queue is massive at most EU airports. Even though I won't need a visa to almost all of the countries, I will still need to queue up for passport checking.
If it's a no deal, will try to stay for 5 years to get British passport, then move back to Australia or elsewhere (by then hopefully Trump will also be gone). Grin

1tisILeClerc · 01/01/2019 10:43

The WA is not a 'deal' as such, just a routemap through a minefield. the actual 'deal' is still to be negotiated and is basically the 'on hold' music while the UK gets it's backside into gear. Of course the meter is running, like it does when you talk to solicitors so it is in the UK's best interest to get some really good negotiators on the case.

Blahblahblah111 · 01/01/2019 10:48

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BigChocFrenzy · 01/01/2019 10:58

LeClerc imo, "deal" is just a short word to describe a negotiated legal treaty.
Brexit - done sensibly - requires 2 consecutive deals:

The WA is the deal for the process of leaving,
sorting out current & past obligations, but with at most only a framework of what the future relationship could be

The future relationship is a deal that would be negotiated during the transition period of the WA
and its main component would be trade

lonelyplanetmum · 01/01/2019 11:29

Love this photo from Sadiq Khan's FB

"London's diversity will always be our strength. Our one million EU citizens are Londoners, they make a huge contribution, and no matter the outcome of Brexit - they will always be welcome.

Happy New Year, London. 🇪🇺"

#LondonIsOpen #LondonNYE

Westminstenders: Welcome to 2019
BigChocFrenzy · 01/01/2019 11:30

Wonderful photo & message
The Mayor of London is one of the few who really stepped up to the responsibilities of their role wrt Brexit

Blahblahblah111 · 01/01/2019 12:12

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Whatthefoxgoingon · 01/01/2019 12:13

I believe the words spoken during the fireworks were “London is open” and not “UK is open” which seems very deliberate.

Happy new year 🥳 to you all! Hoping for a safe and peaceful 2019.

1tisILeClerc · 01/01/2019 12:28

{I believe the words spoken during the fireworks were “London is open” and not “UK is open” which seems very deliberate.}
I am not sure that is much better.
If London ( The Westminster bubble) wasn't so greedy in keeping most of the money then the UK as a whole would be a much better place.
With spending on infrastructure in London being around five times greater than in many Northern and Western regions I find this rather disgusting.

Icantreachthepretzels · 01/01/2019 12:28

happy new year everyone. bad things always come in threes - we've had 2016 2017 and now 2018. 2019 is the dawn of a bright new beginning - I am quietly confident.

Blahblahblah111 · 01/01/2019 12:46

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Tonsilss · 01/01/2019 13:27

In Scotland, The National front page yesterday was telling EU people living in Scotland that we appreciate them and want them to stay!

1tisILeClerc · 01/01/2019 13:31

Blahblahblah111
I expect I am actually in agreement with you but the terms 'Westminster' and 'Londoners' are too loose a description, just as 'Brussels' is only the city where the EU parliament is located. For the taxes that are taken nationally having such a large percentage put into the London area is what is wrong. Yes I know there are very poor areas of London and it is to the shame of government that the 'darlings in the city' get all the good bits at the expense of others.

thecatfromjapan · 01/01/2019 13:32

'The Westminster elite' is not'London'. Indeed, a cursory look at the political messages sent by 'London' & 'Londoners' over the last few years will demonstrate how at variance they are.

As the 'London is Open' campaigns are at pains to emphasise, 'London' is radically diverse.

'Austerity' has been delivered largely by way of local council/authority cut-backs, with the withholding of central government funding at the local level. An inequality in regional funding has been the necessary corollary of this. And, of course, those regions with the least ability to raise local funding anx the greatest need of central government funding have been hardest hit.

It has been devastating to see this turned into an anti-London rhetoric/discourse - utilised brilliantly during the Brexit campaign.

Blame - and political action - should have been directed where it was due: with a government that was pursuing an ideology of draining money from public goods and services.

The awful thing about the 'othering' of London - a large, diverse city - is that it has led to a weird rendering invisible of the many, many poor and marginalised 'Londoners'.

That has been horrible to watch. Even in discourses that purport yo care for the disenfranchised, if all the disenfranchised are those not in yhe'rich' South, where, ontologically, can the poor of London and the South be placed?

And they DO exist.

I'm tired of being told the poverty I deal with doesn't exist. Because all Londoners are an elite.

It's lazy, divisive thinking.

I'm tired of it. Really tired.

I also have s suspicion it is deeply xenophobic: poor, non-elite Londoners can be rendered semantically and ideologically non-existent because they are not the 'authentic', 'native' working-class. And that fantasy of s native, authentic working-class is implicitly coded white & non-immigrant.

Personally, I think that fantasy is as racist as it is old-fashioned & lacking contact with the reality of modern demographics.

But it has a real emotional pull for some people. On the Left as much as the Right.

Honestly, if you catch yourself falling into the anti-London thing, I would urge you to slow down, examine your thinking, and really scrutinise whose game you might be playing.

IrenetheQuaint · 01/01/2019 13:33

London massively subsidises the rest of the UK (except when it comes to spending on public transport, which is very skewed to London and the SE - too much so, but London and the SE is also the only region (IMO) where public transport is a big issue for a majority of voters).

IrenetheQuaint · 01/01/2019 13:42

Fantastic post, catfromjapan!