Westministenders: BAH HUMBUG said Mr Rees-Mogg

[RedToothBrush]

"At this festive season of the year, Mr Scrooge Rees-Mogg, ... it is more than usually desirable that we should make some slight provision for the poor and destitute, who suffer greatly at the present time. Many thousands are in want of common necessaries; hundreds of thousands are in want of common comforts, sir."

"Are there no prisons hostels?"

"Plenty of prisons hostels..."

"And the Union workhouses foodbanks." demanded Scrooge Jacob. "Are they still in operation?"

"Both very busy, sir..."

"Those who are badly off must go there."

"Many can't go there; and many would rather die."

"If they would rather die," said Scrooge ^Rees-Mogg, "they had better do it, and decrease the surplus population."

He continued "Besides I do not believe that anyone would die without them. I think Theresa is right, there are many complex reasons why nurses go to food banks. The real reason for the rise in numbers is that people know that they are there and Labour deliberately didn't tell them. To have charitable support given by people voluntarily to support their fellow citizens I think is rather uplifting and shows what a good, compassionate country we are"

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This thread is dedicated to Mrs8 and anyone else who is working to make life just a little better in the difficult circumstances that ALL politicians are currently doing their best to ignore (despite what they profess).

No Deal = even more poverty and destitution.

MERRY CHRISTMAS & HERES HOPING FOR A HAPPIER NEW YEAR
especially to those of you, who might be having a tough time or facing real uncertainity.

jasjas
He cannot stop Brexit (even if he wanted too)
Hogwash.
He could call a vote of no confidence in the Govt and then call a vote to revoke A50
which would both pass
but he won't

Some MPs seem determined to do their duty to protect the country & people from harm
Are there enough of them though and will they gain sufficient support quickly enough
Can they agree on a final aim ?

John Rentoul@JohnRentoul

My colleague Andrew Grice estimates there are only 30 Tory MPs who really want to leave without a deal
....
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/brexit-theresa-may-no-deal-final-say-project-fear-cliff-edge-a8694456.html?amp

Three Tory MPs, including Nick Boles (who will vote for May’s deal), have threatened to bring down the government, by backing a Labour no confidence motion,
if that is what it takes to divert the UK from the cliff edge

A cross-party group of MPsPs^ is drawing up plans for guerrilla war in parliament.*

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/no-deal-brexit-conservative-labour-mp-theresa-may-eu-leave-remain-second-referendum-a8693181.html

The group of MPs includes fellow Tories Oliver Letwin and Nick Boles, as well as Labour big-hitters Yvette Cooper, Hilary Benn, Rachel Reeves and Harriet Harman.

They have tabled an amendment to the finance bill, to be debated on 8 January,
that would prevent any new taxes earmarked for no-deal preparations without the consent of the Commons.

I don't want a 'scapegoat' I want anybody with a workable plan to stand up and get on with it. For reasons I have posted several times, the UK should be out of the EU, as it is obviously not prepared to join in properly. There has been 2 1/2 years of 50/50 meh whatever and no clear direction, particularly directions that are not tainted.

Corbyn - if he supported these plans - would give them a great chance of succeeding,
because all except about 10 hardcore Labour Leaver MPs would join the cross-party moves

LeClerc Despite complete exasperation with how dreadfully the Uk govt and media have behaved over Brexit negotiations,

I still fervently want a Revoke, to Remain

#IAmEuropean 🇪🇺
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He could call a vote of no confidence in the Govt and then call a vote to revoke A50
which would both pass

I had to check my calendar as it surely cannot be April 1st ?

I really do not see many Tory MPs let alone DUP voting with Corbyn for a GE, that really would be Turkeys voting for Xmas and he'd have to win a NC twice within 14days
Not least because few tories want May leading them into another GE.

No English party is calling for a revocation, even the LibDems or Greens are suggesting a revoke, all parties are too tied in with "Respect the referendum result" to do this.

No, May will get her deal through Parliament because everyone is being bullied by the threat of a no-deal nonsense and are too scared to stand up to this awful PM, who time and time again will put her & the tory parties survival above the countries well being.

and when its all over, we can all go back to voting Tory again.......

But the UK has never had a system for Non EU migrants.

Or EU migrants either.

and when its all over, we can all go back to voting Tory again.......
I have never voted Tory
but I cannot vote for a party that has Corbyn as its leader
(which is a shame because my local MP is a good chap who hates him too)

and when its all over, we can all go back to voting Tory again.......

Hmm, not sure about the "all" bit. I'm sure I'm not the only one who's never voted Tory.

Still doesn't mean I'd vote Labour this time.

Binary choices rarely work - look at the Referendum question.

As long as my DC and I can be 'adopted' as a citizen of Europe I will be happy.
If the UK insists on playing 'silly buggers' in the corner then leave me out of it, there is more in life to get on with.

Looking on MN thread. 'Asda have fucked up my Christmas food shopping'.
Reading the 'outrage' that there are no chicken dippers or whatever.
I wonder what they will be saying on April 10th maybe?

I would vote Tory if it revoked Brexit.

And to answer the question a while back (apols for delay), yes, I said, and I stand by it. If it results in the destruction of the Tory party, I'll suffer Brexit - hell if I could be convince a vote for Corbyn would do that, he's my man. However, all he's done as labour leader is look like he'd have trouble breaking wind, let alone one of the most entrenched political parties of modern European history.

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I would vote Tory if it revoked Brexit.
So would I, even though I never have in my life.

I haven't voted for Labour since Corbyn got in. Not that it makes a difference; a stuffed toy in a red rosette would get in round here.

Ta1kinpeace

I have a goodly collection of Corbynite friends
I have been warning them for years that he was anti EU
they did not believe me.
I think they do now
but its not like there are any good options for the country

This is quite poetic.

Disgusted with Corbyn.

Maybe we should make 2019 the year of Brexit Haiku ?

May's paranoid obsession with secrecy gets worse:

www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/dec/23/pharmaceutical-firms-preparing-no-deal-brexit-ordered-to-sign-ndas

Thing is, things always come out in the end and will here, too, particularly if it goes spectacularly wrong and the companies don't want to be blamed.

Ah ! Brexit. It's shit.
Shit. Shit. Shit as can it be.
Ah Corbyn. Fuck me !

I would vote Tory if it revoked Brexit

It's the Tories that put us into this mess! I would never vote Tory.

The Tories created the biggest division in this nation. Look into social media comments, Remainers and Leavers alike are very much angry at each other. This will take a generation to heal.

There was a young lady called May
who though foreigners got in the way
so she went to the people
who called her quite feeble
so March 29th is the day

@DGRossetti

Is a modern Christmas carol?

I don't usually like them but I think that one has potential.

I have never ever voted Tory - and never would . Fortunately, I have the option of a genuinely Remain supporting party

My MP overturned a 15,000 (iirc) Labour majority to win his seat in 2015 . He retained his seat in 2017 but with a reduced majority.

I was a life long Labour voter from the 70s until the late 90s: only changed allegiance after being door stepped by Nicola Sturgeon, with the Iraq War being the final nail in the coffin of my support for Labour

I was a life long Labour voter from the 70s until the late 90s:

unless you're dead, that's not true

see, what I really don't get is this thing about people nailing their bollocks (or breasts) to a particular political party "for life" and then blindly voting for them even though they blatantly don't have your interests at heart. If you "always" vote for the same party, then what incentive does that party have to lift a finger for your needs ?

I guess it's a similar manifestation to the problem facing organisations that have to try and attract new custom at the expense of existing custom (having worked in insurance, I know the issues).

Not sure if it's somehow a peculiarity of English life ? I know my DF outraged his bank manager when he closed his account and moved it to another bank because of a problem he'd had. When my DBs visit for Xmas, I'll have to ask if they remember waiting in the car and seeing the manager chase my DF down the high street shouting "You can't do that.; Bloody foreigners ! You can't do that. Stop. You can't do that" with my DM calling the manager a "silly man".

(The issue was that Nat West "didn't lend to foreigners". Across the High Street it turned out Barclays did. Which is why my first bank account was with Barclays ....)