Westministenders: The One Where We Finally Get A Leadership Challenge?

[RedToothBrush]

Tick tick tick.

What do we think?

Yes? No?

Another week of wtf-ing at British politics.

[RedToothBrush]

The Mail had a list of 23 at 6.30pm last night, but the Telegraph added Goldsmith and Cash to the list with its front page story. So as far as know its 25 public with the Mail reporting they were 'stuck' on 37.

There were 35 ERG members at the meeting last week.

[RedToothBrush]

Survation @ survation
Good morning. With Conservative MPs currently consulting local associations about a potential confidence vote in the Prime Minister, on behalf of Mail on Sunday, we interviewed 505 Conservative Councillors Friday-Saturday and this is what they told us:
www.survation.com/conservative-councillors-want-mps-to-back-may-in-a-potential-vote-of-confidence/
Conservative councillors want MPs to back May in a potential vote of confidence

Worth stressing that councillors are not necessarily representative of the grass roots membership but they are a significant part and have significant influence.

If ERG MPs have gone back to their constituencies to check with their local party whether they should submit a letter of no confidence or not, then you have to wonder which way its gone.

It begs the question of whether even JRM is out of touch with the grassroots.

I'd say this is the strongest sign yet, that May might just survive.

[Peregrina]

This deal gives us no voice, no votes, no MEPs, no commissioner.”

Yes, Nadine. In. simple. words. it's. a quid. pro. quo.* You. want. out. You. don't. get. the. benefits.

• Ask Boris to translate for you.

[Threewheeler1]

Thanks Red. These threads are great.

[Moussemoose]

Nadine Dorris

No words available

[bellinisurge]

Anyone who is genuinely interested in putting some extra food by, please head over to the Spam-free prepper topic. Lots of practical tips. No tin foil hats. No zombies.

[1tisILeClerc]

Nadine could listen to Theresa when she says 'Leave means Leave' which surprisingly means that we leave, as in 'No more' and 'it all stops'.
Queue dead parrot.

[Novacancy3]

Fascinating. Thank you to all that contribute.

[1tisILeClerc]

Wot, no SPAM? You of all should not be 'antispamist'. For those that would like SPAM it will reduce the pressure on those who like identifiable food.

[1tisILeClerc]

And it will probably last for years and is near indestructible.

[prettybird]

Ds is currently doing a Politics and International Relations degree at Aberdeen Uni and was down last night (went to the Scotland-SA game yesterday with my dad and then came home for the night).

He had a Politics tutorial on Thursday afternoon (the lecturer was somewhat distracted/excited/bemused by everything going on ). They've been given the task of thinking of three benefits to the UK of leaving the EU, and of three benefits to the EU of the UK leaving.

He's really struggling as every "benefit" has a greater counter argument.

UK

1. The UK can stop paying in "vast" sums to the EU but it was only 0.7% of GDP , which was more than paid for by the increased growth resulting from the larger (and geographically close) market we have access to - and which has been subsumed by the decreased growth compared to the rest of the EU since we voted to leave

1. Greater control over immigration but we were always to control non-EU immigration (and we weren't part of Schengen so had control in case that other EU countries were too "lax" ) and we chose not to use the controls we did have available to us And if the CTA continues as part of the WA, then "illegals" (by UK standards ) can still come in via Ireland

1. The UK can sign trade deals with any country it wants to but it will be negotiating as a smaller country without many natural resources (except for Scotland ) and has failed to make the most of the trade it could do (cp Germany, France, Belgium...)

The EU

1. It would be rid of the troublesome country that didn't actually want to be a member and was/is a disruptive influence

1. Once the shock to the fixed costs in the EU budget has been absorbed (which is a negative), the actual contributions per capita will actually go up as the UK is only about 8th in the list of contributors (alongside Italy?). And the EU might actually be able to plan better without the UK's disruptive influence

1. There has been a positive impact on a number of E27 countries with various EU agencies (like the EMA) moving to them and UK banks and organisations transferring personnel, funds and/or investment to them.

As you can see - he's found the benefits to the EU easier than the benefits to the UK


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[ThereWillBeAdequateFood]

Nadine Dorris Truly breathtakingly stupid.

[Icantreachthepretzels]

Where is that talking rat from 'Horrible Histories' when you need him. He probably understands a lot more than many in the present government.

To quote rattus rattus himself 'the rat knows all'.

just at Nadine Dorries. Do you think now that leavers are waking up to the idea that leaving the EU actually means ... leaving the EU - no voice, no vote, no MEPs - because we are no longer in the club ... they might start to change their mind? (I won't hold my breath.)

What exactly did they think leave - and indeed their own slogan 'leave means leave' - meant?

[Butterymuffin]

I read 23 confirmed letters in the Guardian, so if it's now on 25, that's nowhere near where they 'should' be.

Plus the reports saying that if May did face a confidence vote, over 100 votes against her might fatally weaken her authority..have they not noticed that that's already happened and she's kept going regardless? The ERG must be thinking they'd have to win any vote outright because if May wins by any margin, however small, she's going nowhere.

[UnnecessaryFennel]

Andrew Marr showing his true colours this morning. I'm deeply frustrated with Labour, but his contempt for Chakrabarti is quite clear. Unpleasant viewing.

[ThereWillBeAdequateFood]

They've been given the task of thinking of three benefits to the UK of leaving the EU, and of three benefits to the EU of the UK leaving

We he’s gone for completely the wrong approach. Leaving the EU isn’t about tangible benefits, it’s all about the “feels”

1. we get to stick two fingers up to the EU whilst shouting “you’re not the boss of me”
   
   
2. less foreigners coming over. This is mainly important to people who live in the least multicultural areas of the U.K.
   
   
3. Britain will be great again! Or something.

[PCPlumsTruncheon]

Fennel Totally agree, I’m not here greatest fan but it was uncomfortable to watch.
Raab is on now. When asked if we are leaving the EU, we are leaving ‘emotionally’
He’s now banging on about the EU blackmailing and bullying us. FFS

[HowDoYouFeelNow]

Placemarking again. Thanks for the new thread.

Saw this on the sky live updates page and thought it was interesting.

[DGRossetti]

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[PCPlumsTruncheon]

I hadn’t realised that Raab’s father was a Czech born Jewish refugee who came here aged 6 in 1938.
Am watching Daily Politics now. Apparently they couldn’t get a single Tory London MP to come on.

[UnnecessaryFennel]

Yes, Raab getting the usual Marr soft-soaping - no shouting over him, eh? Just let him get his message across nicely...

[prettybird]

Therewilbeadequatefood - I'll tell him that!

[HesterThrale]

Fennel I agree. I think I’ll be writing to the BBC about Marr’s treatment of Chakrabarti.

[UnnecessaryFennel]

Apparently they couldn’t get a single Tory London MP to come on

Good god, not even my esteemed constituency representative and telegenic smug git Chris Philp?