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Westministenders: The One Where We Finally Get A Leadership Challenge?

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RedToothBrush · 17/11/2018 22:50

Tick tick tick.

What do we think?

Yes? No?

Another week of wtf-ing at British politics.

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RedToothBrush · 19/11/2018 15:18

Jessica Elgot @jessicaelgot
It is now 3pm and there are still not 48 letters.

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DGRossetti · 19/11/2018 15:39

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6402523/Armys-secret-plans-troops-streets-wake-No-Deal-Brexit.html

dailymail.co.uk
Army's plans to put troops on the streets in wake of a No Deal Brexit
By Sophie Law For Mailonline
4-5 minutes
Army's secret plans to put troops on the streets to deal with potential chaos in the wake of a 'No Deal' Brexit

Military drawn up plans on how Operation Temperer can help amid Brexit chaos
Plans for troops include delivery of medicines to hospitals across the country 
Defence Staff General Sir Nick Carter said army 'stand ready to help' in a no deal

Published: 09:51, 18 November 2018 | Updated: 11:16, 19 November 2018

The army has been drawing up secret plans to put troops on the streets to help with potential chaos in the wake of a no-deal Brexit.

Plans have been drawn up by the military for Operation Temperer, who usually help police on the streets in the threat of terrorism, in the event of a no-Brexit scenario.

Contingency plans involve how the military could help keep public order amid such as the delivery and stockpiling of medicines to hospitals across the country, according to The Times.

Plans have been drawn up by the military for Operation Temperer, who usually help police on the streets in the threat of terrorism, in the event of a no-Brexit scenario

Chief of Defence Staff General Sir Nick Carter said the army would 'stand ready to help' in the event of a 'No Deal'.

The army has around 1,200 troops on 24-hour standby which can deal with a range of operations and contingencies.

And a further 10,000 military personnel are available to assist with an emergency at short notice.

Chief of Defence Staff General Sir Nick Carter commented on the Andrew Marr Show last wee said troops would 'stand ready' in a no-deal Brexit

Chief of Defence Staff General Sir Nick Carter commented on the Andrew Marr Show last week: ‘We make sensible contingency plans for all sort of eventualities whether it’s a terrorist attack, a tanker driver dispute or industrial action.

‘At this stage I think people are confident there will be a deal, If there’s not one, we stand ready to help in any way we can.

When asked about the stockpiling of medicines, Sir Nick Carter said: ‘We’re involved in thinking hard about what it might involve. We’ve not been asked to do anything specifically at this stage.’

The team of around 20 officers, based in the army's headquarters in Andover, Hampshire, are also drawing up plans to create a lorry park in in Folkestone near an army training centre to ease traffic in Kent, according to an army source.
What is Operation Temperer?

A British army soldier and a police officer patrol outside the British Foreign and Commonwealth Office after Operation was put in place in response to the Manchester Arena attack

Operation Temperer was the codename for the plan to put 5,000 troops on the streets following major terrorist threats.

It was devised in 2015 and was kept secret until it was uncovered by Mail on Sunday.

Whitehall officials had kept it under wraps because it contained such sensitive information.

Theresa May, who made the decision, makes her the first Prime Minister to use a new plan for a show of force in the face of major terrorist threats.

Mrs May said it would be the decision of police chiefs to decide where to deploy the military, though they are most likely to be used to guard top tourist attractions, airports and railway stations and sporting venues.

David Cameron had opposed controversial power because he didn't want the UK to appear like it had lost control and was imposing martial law.

Motheroffourdragons · 19/11/2018 15:57

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OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 19/11/2018 16:22

Laura Kuenssberg
@bbclaurak

  1. 'FFS, where are the others?' says one ERG'er who has put his letter in..fair to say plan to trigger putsch hasn't exactly gone according to plan-those ERG'ers who were last week warning it was 'lunacy' to push for a vote might take comfort from being proved right
  1. As things stand doesn't seem like the letters are in, but we don't know - if others are contemplating it hard to know now what they are waiting for
HesterThrale · 19/11/2018 16:28

Failure to get 48 letters would be revealing.

@JolyonMaugham
The ERG's apparent failure - once again - to get to 48 votes has performed a useful public service: highlighting the absence of Parliamentary support for no deal. The real alternative is Remain.

mobile.twitter.com/JolyonMaugham/status/1064496318998036480

Mrsr8 · 19/11/2018 16:31

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BigChocFrenzy · 19/11/2018 16:33

An inglorious end to another spiffing Boris wheeze:

Boris’s water cannon (total cost to London taxpayers of £322k) have been sold for scrap by Sadiq Khan, raising £11k for youth services

UnnecessaryFennel · 19/11/2018 16:40

What a bunch of thundercunts

In a nutshell, mrsr8.

I'm torn between feeling utterly relieved that they've summarily failed to get 48 letters, and furious that they're all such spineless, unprincipled bastards that after all this they can't get 48 letters.

BigChocFrenzy · 19/11/2018 16:41

Austerity swung voters to Brexit – and now they are changing their minds

atm though, not enough and not quickly enough
but I wonder if this chaotic leadership challenge may be a turnng point here

http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/brexit/2018/11/19/austerity-swung-voters-to-brexit-and-now-they-are-changing-their-minds/

those areas most exposed to welfare reforms, and which saw a decided swing towards Leave in 2016, see among the largest drops in support for Leave in 2018.
This suggests that the pivotal voters that contributed so crucially to the Leave victory are now having a significant change of heart.

Spudlet · 19/11/2018 16:42

What a bunch of thundercunts

Pithily summarised. And handy, as it could be applied to so many situations arising from this clusterfuck.

nuttynutjob · 19/11/2018 16:43

so one of the Facebook ads I get is from Telegraph (don't know why) and I started reading the comment section. Leavers are angry with May and the Conservative party i.e. never voting them again, joining the UKIP party.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 19/11/2018 16:43

I admit to sniggering at this

David Allen Green
@davidallengreen
The ERG was, in effect, a WhatsApp group formed by people who had every intention of organising something big together.

And like almost every other such WhatsApp group, a large number turned out to be really sorry they couldn't make it.

Peregrina · 19/11/2018 16:45

Well, if May manages to see off the ERG at last, she will earn a modicum of respect from me. Pity she didn't tell them to take a running jump two years ago.

UnnecessaryFennel · 19/11/2018 16:52

Leavers are angry with May and the Conservative party i.e. never voting them again, joining the UKIP party

...and thereby neatly bringing us full circle, back to Cameron and his self-fulfilling prophecies.

What a monumental clusterfuck. The country torn apart to try and stop something that is now even more likely than it was two-and-a-half years ago. Jesus fucking Christ, I despair.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 19/11/2018 16:53

Sam Coates Times
@SamCoatesTimes
A source said Boris Johnson, Jacob Rees Mogg, Simon Clark,
Johnny Mercer met in Boris’s office for a meeting unlikely to be seen as helpful by the No10 incumbent.

An aide to Johnson did not comment (tho didn’t deny) the claim

DGRossetti · 19/11/2018 16:54

'FFS, where are the others?' says one ERG'er who has put his letter in

@MNHQ - we need some more emojis - like an ENORMOUS "HA-HA" PMSL one.

BiglyBadgers · 19/11/2018 16:56

I don't think May has "seen off the ERG" Peregrina, more that they just got cold feet and failed to get their arses in gear to turn up to the showdown so she'll get declared winner by default.

DGRossetti · 19/11/2018 17:06

I don't think May has "seen off the ERG" Peregrina, more that they just got cold feet and failed to get their arses in gear to turn up to the showdown so she'll get declared winner by default.

Winner of what ? She's not entered anything.

And we/you can't keep quivering in fear at the "ERG", like they're some kind of ninja force. They are a busted flush, and now we all know it. And as we inch closer towards no deal, I suspect their stock will fall even more. Especially with the MPs who were cowed by them. And even more especially as all the Unicorns and other flibbertigibbets the ERG promised fail to materialise. I am hoping there are a few Tory MPs who having been swayed by the ERGs confidence, realise that they missed it was a confidence trick.

Personally, as soon as I heard Rees-Moggy (bless Smile) referring to "senior members of the ERG" I would have known they were a bunch of self important pricks. It had a fascinating parallel with the 1970s days of "senior members of t'committee" when deciding tea breaks.

1tisILeClerc · 19/11/2018 17:11

Maybe I see the cunning plan:
'World domination by the UK as other world leaders die laughing'.
Brilliant!

BiglyBadgers · 19/11/2018 17:13

I'm certainly not quivering in fear of the ERG. I don't think and have never thought they would ever amount to anything more then bluster. I was responding to the view that May had done something admirable by seeing them off. She hasn't.

1tisILeClerc · 19/11/2018 17:17

Some of their 'plans' seem almost sensible until you get to the 'killer' line and discover it applies to a different planet.

Peregrina · 19/11/2018 17:17

Leavers are angry with May and the Conservative party i.e. never voting them again, joining the UKIP party

But when it comes down to it, UKIP are only successful with Farage at the helm. Of course, he might decide to come back.

DGRossetti · 19/11/2018 17:18

I was responding to the view that May had done something admirable by seeing them off. She hasn't.

Well if her way forward seems to be less shaped by kowtowing to whatever the ERG think they want (because it's clear they have no idea themselves), it's to be applauded.

If nothing else, she's lost any excuse that she's had to accommodate them in moving forward.

1tisILeClerc · 19/11/2018 17:27

Having not got the time to read the 585 pages, if anyone has, does it look a 'reasonable' compromise that is not too extreme?
It I presume includes remaining in CU/SM to make trade 'frictionless'.
Not looking for a deep discussion here. The boss of Siemens said it was a workable compromise, what do you/we think?
Crash out is obviously bonkers, and Remain is, I feel, unwise as it doesn't overcome the 'we want to leave irrationally' brigade. Remain (as it really was 2 1/2 years ago) would of course have been ideal but that ship has sailed.

DGRossetti · 19/11/2018 17:29

Just a quick heads up, after we had a power cut last week ... one thing that turned out to be a lifesaver, was a set of battery powered PIR/LED lights that you can stick up on the ceiling, or wall. I originally bought them to illuminate our back and front bin area ...

www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00SH5FV9U?tag=mumsnetforum-21