Westministenders: Reality Bytes

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Tonight the Corbyn and McDonnell Labour Party supported the Tory Party in improving the tax allowance for higher rate tax payers.

Yes you read that right. Did you even blink?

You've been so conditioned into seeing non existant opposition which seems to go against everything the Labour Party stand for that you no longer are shocked.

That's what 2 and a half years of Brexit has done to you.

You no longer care that Boris Johnson got £14,000 from the Saudis a couple of days before the Khashoggi murder. You know longer care that the former Defence Secretary is employed for £75,000 a year to advise a major Saudi Investor.

You are just happy that Trump hasn't started a war with Iran or North Korea yet. And hasn't started a civil war. (Though he's trying hard and next week is his best opportunity to stir it all up). You aren't surprised to hear that predictions are that the Democrats will fail to make gains in the mid terms.

You've suffered the 4657 story about how Therea May is just about to be challenged for the leadership.

You've heard about the squad set up at the Home Office to clear up all the cases the media get their hands on as the latest burning injustice. You are hearing that EU nationals who have been promised they are 'safe' are being subjected to questions about their right to stay. And you just shrug and say, "Yeah well thats the Home Office for you. The Bastards". And you do mean it, but you are so jaded by it all. And you worry that another 12 months from now, you won't even be interested in another story like that, and the press will stop printing them as they no longer interest the reader. What happens to your friends, your family, or even you then? Who is going to care then?

And then you have today.

A day where you hear that Bannon is being investigated by the Senate Intel Committee, Farage has been upgraded to the FBI's Really Naughty List and Banks has (FINALLY) been refered to the NCA. (We were only speculating on the possibility, on the 26th March...)

And you go 'Ooooooooo maybe there is hope'.

Maybe we COULD remain in the EU and avoid Turnip Soup and wiping your arse with leaves because of the national bog roll shortage. Or at least get a decent deal which suits us as a nation. Maybe, just maybe!

And that lasts for about 2 minutes before you log into twitter and the very first thing you see this:

Tom Newton Dunn @tnewtondunn
Excl: David Cameron tells friends he’d like a return to frontline politics, and fancies Foreign Secretary
www.thesun.co.uk/news/7639377/david-cameron-return-to-politics/

And you let out a high pitched screech as if you are were a dying cat as you remember this is 2018, and it just wants to beat the life out of you.

On the plus side, it shows you do still care enough to think 'Don't let that fucking bastard anywhere near power ever, ever again.'.

Ho hum.

Keep on, keeping on. Don't let the bastards win.
Keep caring. It matters.

@Andrew_Adonis
Many of Arron Banks’s closest associates are now in the Conservative party & his own membership application is pending. If Brexit goes ahead, I expect Nigel Farage to join next year, get selected as a Tory candidate & be vying for the Tory leadership by the next election

If Brexit goes ahead, I expect Nigel Farage to join next year, get selected as a Tory candidate & be vying for the Tory leadership by the next election

Good if that did happen :

A) I'd love to see JRM suck up to being led by Farage.
B) Then the moderates would split off to a (vaguely) electable party.

lonely I'm hopeful that the transition period - Basically current EU terms but no voting tights - is extended long enough
for a new PM to climb the steps up to Norway++

i.e. BINO , but the UK without voting rights in the EU
so no longer belonging to - and disrupting - the EP or the Council of Europe

Within a generation, this BINO would be daft enough for the new UK demographics to vote positively to rejoin.

Then the moderates would split off to a (vaguely) electable party
Not what happens under fascism.

Interesting fact.
Nazis termed dissidents 'Moaners'.
10s of thousands of dissidents were murdered and interned before the Shoah.

Quiz question.
Guess how many british people today, are having to regularly report to authorities under threat of detention or deportation?

The Tory party already includes some truly disgusting MPs:

FOBTs row: minister quit over claim pro-gambling MP secured delay

The revolting misogynist Philip Davies - supporter of the rape apologists J4MB,
just as keenly supports the gambling industry and successfully delayed safeguards for gambling

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/nov/02/fobts-row-minister-quit-over-claim-pro-gambling-mp-secured-delay

Tracey Crouch ‘furious’ over private meeting between culture secretary and Philip Davies

Wait a minute all this will lead to Nigel farage in the Cons? Thus making him offcially mainstream?

Gross.

Majority in all Labour seats back second referendum, study says

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/nov/02/majority-in-all-labour-seats-back-second-referendum-study-says

Jeremy Corbyn’s party agreed a policy at its conference under which it would measure up May’s deal to see if it would protect jobs and workers’ rights.

If the deal failed that test, Labour would vote against it when it was sent to the Commons for ratification after the prime minister concluded the divorce talks with Brussels.

Labour would then seek to force a general election by calling a confidence vote,

and only if that failed would it consider the option of a second referendum
....
Support for a second referendum is largest in Corbyn’s seat of Islington North at 80%, 😂
with the number falling back to 53% in Ashfield, the east Midlands seat held by Gloria De Piero.

Tory local parties - angry at the "sellout" - mght well select Farage and a few others on the far right
He is no viler than e.g. Philip Davies but would add to the numbers of the vile.

The question is whether "Europe" finally splits the Tory party, as it has threatened to do for 30 years,
so we have separately a One Nation Tory party and a far right fascist party,

or whether the far right wing within it becomes more powerful, so the whole Tory party swings to hard right, like the US Republicans did

so the whole Tory party swings to hard right, like the US Republicans did

So thoughts of moderates splitting are optimistic? The moderates will just resign and fade.

It's more logical as we copy the US in most things- hostile environment, hubristic hostility to neighbours, war involvement, arms sales.

Farage is no viler, but he is an excellent politician, BCF He'd romp home as leader of english fascist party.

lonely The problem is that FPTP heavily reinforces the 2-party system and kills off small parties before they can grow:
Ironically, UKIP would have collapsed much earlier without the PR system of MEP elections and also the EP funding that brought them (some of which they misused and have to repay)

The US presidential system also acts against 3rd parties

So in both the US and UK systems, if extremists want power, they have to infiltrate one of the 2 main parties
and take it over - as in the US - or force nation-changing policies on it - as in the UK

woman Farage failed 7 times to be elected as an MP
Of course under the tribal FPTP system, if he became a Tory candidate, then almost all Tories would vote for him

What would save us is the Tory leadership system of MPs selecting the final 2 - in secret ballots ! -
before the ordinary party members vote for leader

• I would fear those members might well vote him in - but currently the fascist far right numbers under 70 MPs, imo

What might be his route is if Brexit leads to a wipeout of Tory MPs, so they end up with only 150-200

• Maybe red can say if the safest 150 seats are held mostly by the ultra-hard right, or by miderates

Yes I'll admit I never really applied my mind to PR and the transferable vote thingy systems until June 2016. Now I see getting rid of FPTP as an essential solution for the future.

A party with such a smal membership in the country and under 200 MPs would be ripe for an organised takeover,
financed by the psychopathic oligarchs

Here we go. It’s started already. Knew it wouldn’t take Vile-Little-Man-Frog long to pipe up.

www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/nigel-farage-talks-about-theresa-mays-secret-brexit-plan-on-lbc-radio-1-5764098

Speaking on LBC Radio, Nigel Farage said May’s deal “doesn’t give us any of the possible benefits of Brexit.”

So, if they do manage to scrape this deal through (if indeed there is such a deal, who knows?) there will be the inevitable ‘Brexit is only shit because TM and the EU made it shit our Brexit would have been glorious nonsense forever.

BigChocFrenzy re take over of Tory party...wealthy Russians have been contributing for years (after taking British citizenship). It's been a long game. www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-28450125

Mosley was a Labour MP for a long time and was a Labour minister.

Despite the flaws of the party system i am like many in feeling suspicious of politicians who can't cope with party discipline and keep shifting around to find the approproate setting for their brilliance. This despite admiring Roy Jenkins beyond all reason.

A few MPs have genuine changes of opinion - "mugged by reality" -
or their party moves too far to the left or right, compared to what they joined, or thought they were joining

When changing parties is a danger sign:

• when the politician is just seeking a better route to power
• when they are populist demagogues
• when they are financed / helped by those wanting an authoritarian regime

I see that David Davs has called for legal advice to be provided for any potential deal so ministers "understand" the implications before they vote.

Quite unlike the referendum, where expert advice was decried and ignored and voters obviously didn't understand the implications of their vote for "the easiest deal in the world".

If WW2 had been delayed a few years
and the desperate poverty of the Great Depression had continued

then Oswald Mosely might well have come to power and either stayed neutral, like Franco,
or even joined in on the side of Hitler, whom he and much of the British upper classes admired so much

WW2 and the consequent switching of the public's nationalism to be against Germany, rather than against Jews, the USSR etc,
is what reduced Mosely's popularity sufficiently so the govt dared eventually to intern him

imo, it was a closer thing than glossed over in most history books

Tony Blair urges MPs to vote down any Brexit deal and push for people's vote

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/nov/04/tony-blair-urges-mps-vote-down-theresa-may-brexit-deal

Former Labour leader says there is no outcome Theresa May can secure that will be good for the country
...
“I promise them as someone who used to win elections:
no one will lose their seat on this basis.
But vote through a botched negotiation that you don’t believe in and the backlash will last a political lifetime.”

Ha, I don't believe Banks is thinking of the country at all, wrt his claimed rejection of Leave now

• it is just regret that he personally may be in deep trouble as a result of his own actions for leave,
• anger that most of his former Leave comrades are abandoning him now he is in trouble, even putting the boot in
• and maybe looking to set him up as the scaspegoat after Brexit for all that goes wrong

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/nov/04/arron-banks-no-russian-money-in-8m-given-to-brexit-campaign

Banks also said he stood by a comment in the Sunday Times this week that
he would now vote to remain in the EU,blaming the “corruption” in British politics.

“The sewer that exists, the disgraceful behaviour of the government in how they are selling us out
means that if I had my time again, I think we would have been better to probably remain and not unleash these demons,”

BBC NI Economics correspondent:

JPCampbellBiz@JP_Biz

#raabwatch The Brexit Sec Dominic Raab has just the Agri inspection unit at Larne Harbour.
Two Irish Sea ports in one day - what could it all mean?

2:18 PM · Nov 2, 2018

Banks also said he stood by a comment in the Sunday Times this week that
he would now vote to remain in the EU,

God it really is the gift that keeps on giving. Mr Shifty millionaire friends of Farage ,Trump and done Russians who donated £8,000,000 to sell Leave can now either pretend (or genuinely?) project a sliver of light about the error of his ways.

Meanwhile the serfs affected by all this like my FIL in Kent, my friend's leave voting Mum etc etc cling slavishly to their vote believing all the tabloid sound bites. It's so maddeningly effing unbelievable.