To think people are creating hysteria around brexit

[whyispeppainthenightgarden]

I keep reading post about brexit And prepping and they seem to be crazy. Why are people creating so much hysteria around this. I can’t see how it would be beneficial to other countries to let it get in the state some posters are suggesting.

Just wondered if yu had any thoughts? I have emailed the site in Harlow twice over recent months. No response. I would feel reassured if i knew the shelf life and stock levels of key components, but can't find out this info.

I would write again, and send copies to whoever is responsible for your DD's care at a local level (not necessarily GP but whoever the management/funding body is - sorry bit out of touch with how it works these days in the NHS). Finally, write politely to your MP and send a copy of your correspondance with the Harlow sure. You could also write to the MP for the Harlow site if that is a different person.

Political pressure is the key to this, as with the best will in the world even the largest companies in the UK can't be certain of mitigating the risks of a no deal Brexit, let alone what is presumably quite a small compounding outfit.

@Wotchamacallit thanks so much for checking!

@Mummeeee

Can I suggest that you send your query to the complaints contact on your information pack, give a hard copy to your nurse (if your DD is a nursed patient), and send a copy to the prescribing Trust? You could also consider sending it to NHS England, who commission this service. It’s really important that patients’ concerns are heard.

The provider you are using is part of a big multinational with a good history of being able to deal with shortages. They have their own factories all over the world. Their problem will be getting stock through ports in the event of no deal, so to that extent they are as much in the dark as the rest of us.

Wishing you and your DD all the best.

@whyispeppainthenightgarden

What do you think about it now op? Two years on we are all much better informed, if there was another vote, would you vote?

I'm not going to slag you off for no voting last time, its an enormously complex issue and I have more respect for people who didn't vote than for those who just went 'ip-did-do' to pick a side. Or worse, just read the headlines on the Daily Mali and Express. There is an argument that you should have just voted for the status quo if you didn't know what to do I suppose.

kenndodd if there was a vote now I may as you say just voted for the status quo as that’s makes sense but in all honestly I probably still wouldn’t vote. I think it’s a fair to complex issue to be voting on and should never have been put to a public vote.

People love inventing drama!

It absolutely shouldn't have been put to a referendum. I agree totally.

But it was and doing nothing does not absolve you of responsibility. Standing by and watching something bad happen does not mean you are not responsible.

The only thing it takes for evil to flourish is for good men to do nothing.

If you like a biblical reference washing your hands over an issue does not remove the blood or the sin.

Doing nothing is actually doing something. By not voting you are allowing this to happen, grow up and own your decision and take your share of the blame.

Four word sentences rock!

Agricultural produce is going to be a key factor in negotiating many future trade deals too - lots of countries will want to sell us their food.
The problem is that we have some of the highest environmental and welfare standards in the world for food production; other countries will want us to accept their lower standards. The US have said that very recently.
So if we want favourable trade deals agreed quickly, we will open ourselves up to cheap, lower quality food imports which will impact on our own farming industry and environmental and animal welfare protections as a consequence.
For example, use of antibiotics for growth promotion in pig farming has been banned in the EU & UK for over 12 years, but is still legal in Brazil, the US and Canada.
Enjoy your sausages.

Just a small point re the roads/ports coming to a standstill.

The M20 (main route from Dover) is currently undergoing major roadworks, with a speed limit of 50mph from south of Ashford to north of Maidstone - a distance of about 30miles. This is already causing hideous delays, and is due to carry on til 2020.

The M2 (the other route from Dover) is knackered.

The M26, which joins the M20 to the M25 if you want to go west, is to be turned into a lorry park to cope with the inevitable delays caused by increased checks at Dover and other ports.

Chuck in the Dartford crossing, which is always clogged, and you have the perfect storm of lorries going nowhere - carrying the food Leavers want in their shops, the clothes they want to buy, yes the medications everyone needs.

This will happen. Operation Stack, when they use the M20 to store lorries when there are problems with the channel crossings, brings the whole county to a standstill regularly.

For example, use of antibiotics for growth promotion in pig farming has been banned in the EU & UK for over 12 years, but is still legal in Brazil, the US and Canada.
Enjoy your sausages.

More than that, antibiotic resistance is now huge. Will you really enjoy it when an operation becomes dangerous for you because there is nothing left to fight the infection with?

Exactly Peregrina.
As part of the EU, we had power and influence to change the poor & dangerous practices of other countries around the world.
On our own, we are forced to shut up and accept it.

The only thing it takes for evil to flourish is for good men to do nothing.

Ah. So now people who want to leave a political block, as well as being stupid, ignorant, easily conned, deserving of starvation and death and not worthy of being allowed to vote, they are now also evil.

I see the Stalinism is trotting along nicely. The next step is to start demanding the EU countries send in their armies to prevent Brexit which I fully expect to see beginning early next year. Straight out of the USSR playbook. Wonderful.

It absolutely shouldn't have been put to a referendum. I agree totally.

Another one straight out of the Communist methodology. ‘We know we are right and if people disagree we’ll just stop them voting.’

@yolofish there are of course other major ports on the east coast, but I doubt Hull and Harwich et al could provide all of the extra customs capacity - plus the extra cost and times for driving to/from Rotterdam and other non-Calais ports on the continent.

ginger, apologies if I missed it, but what are the positives that we should be looking forward to after Brexit?

Gingerrogered so you would be in favour of another referendum then on the final Brexit options?

Just to check that we really want to do this, once we are more sure of the most likely outcomes?

Another one straight out of the Communist methodology "We know we are right and if people disagree we’ll just stop them voting"

So, you ll be supporting a 2nd referendum wont you...... i thought not.

Do you realise that's a quotation Gingerroggered?

It's usually attributed to Edmund Burke, but that is disputed.

People love inventing drama!

florafawna, I asked you this previously - do you really think that diabetics who are facing shortages in insulin, which they need to live, "love inventing drama"?

There is a lot of hysteria manufactured by the media to sell papers. 94 percent of the Brexit negotiations have already been agreed by the EU, it’s just a very small fraction left.

Cherries - you obviously don’t watch the same news bulletins or read the same papers as I do. Do you think the EU are going to back down and agree with the UK’s exit proposals and then the UK government approve them? How do you think the Northern Island border issues will be resolved?

Ahhhh Gingerrogered and her 2:1 in politics and history.

The quote John Stuart Mill,,* who said in 1867: “Bad men need nothing more to compass their ends, than that good men should look on and do nothing.”

I paraphrased, my apologies.

This is absolutely not an argument to stop people voting it is the opposite in fact. It is essential that people do vote, I was using the quote to criticise a poster who was not voting.

I don't care which way you vote but you need to get out there and vote!

I'm not sure the communist manifesto had a lot to say about constitutional politics. My point was that in a representative democracy referenda are not commonly used and I feel that within the U.K., with the system we have it was inappropriate.

Referenda are controversial - they are banned in Germany - but I'm sure you know that. I have been impressed by the way referenda have been used in RoI but as a direct democracy they have the correct systems in place unlike the U.K..

@Cherries101
94 percent of the Brexit negotiations have already been agreed by the EU, it’s just a very small fraction left.

Not according to the European Parliament's Brexit co-ordinator, Guy Verhofstadt, who yesterday said the withdrawal agreement needed to prevent no deal was “0 per cent done” as far as MEPs were concerned, because of the lack of a solution to the Irish border issue.

“Progress on the Brexit negotiations can be 90 per cent, 95 per cent or even 99 per cent,” Mr Verhofstadt said.
“But as long as there is no solution for the Irish border, as long as the Good Friday agreement is not fully secured, for us in our parliament progress is 0 per cent.” '

Or as May and Davis liked to say 'Nothing is agreed until everything is agreed.'

These statements are only concerned with the Withdrawal Agreement. The real Brexit negotiations - i.e. the relationship between the UK and the EU post-Brexit - have not really begun yet.

Cherries101 again demonstrating how many people just aren't paying attention.
I don't know whether it is because they don't understand, or don't care.