Who do you believe and where do you get your information from regarding Brexit ?

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I have been wondering this for a while now. Which politicians do you believe ( if any ) , which news sources do you believe and where else do you get your information regarding Brexit from.

I am not a politician, journalist or academic.

The other thing I do is that I see "facts" mentioned on these threads is go away and try to find the source material.

So, for example, if someone claims that EFTA grew more than the EU, I will go away and check EFTA's own stats, compared to the EU's growth statistics.

I'll read around the subject.

My book group read the eye opening book Dark Money ( Meyer) about the US and the influence of a very few powerful people on politics. A friend said " could the same as happens in the book happen here?" . I replied in the negative - but I was wrong.

Seriously scary/fascinating/compelling book. It should be compulsory reading for all students.

In descending order: Richard North's blog, The Guardian, The Independent, Google News. Plus the RIFT site and FB group for Brits in France. I have Radio 4 on in the background while I'm packing up my stuff for the move - it's biased and ill-informed, but useful for the headlines and exchange rates.

Can't take the BBC anymore. I don't know if they live in some sort of purdah but the irrelevance of their questioning is unbelievable. It is like they can't hear or read anything outside of a UK bubble. A bubble where facts are what you want them to be.

Where DD told a parliamentary committee that where an EU Agency was based was up for 'negotiation' with a country soon to be outside the EU. However, in the real world the Dutch Medicines Evaluation Board (MEB) will get built up and get the oodles of work leaving the MHRA. And the pharma and R+D which will arrive in the midst of it all. Which will flow to universities and so on. From their point of view, there is an upside to Brexit. For them, of course. They do appear to be quite happy bunnies.

english.cbg-meb.nl/latest/news/2018/09/06/brexit-fully-prepared

At the moment I am reading ‘Traveller in the Third Reich’.

That’s actually a really prescient commentary on Brexit.

And also all of the news articles I can get my hands on. The point of plurality if the media is to encourage all the different voices to speak. People should try listening to as many of those voices as possible. Interestingly, at the moment most of those voices are going ‘fuck this shit. This is insane. Someone make it stop.

H of C briefing papers for MPs are an hmmm interesting source of info.

With thanks to a Westminsterender.

HoC Briefing Paper: Brexit unknowns (28 Sept update)

<a class="break-all" href="http://go.mumsnet.com/?xs=1&id=470X1554755&url=researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/CBP-8408/CBP-8408.pdf" target="_blank">http://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/CBP-8408/CBP-8408.pdf

Lonelyplanetmum I read your link , is it a spoof ? Please say it is ……..

It's not my link it was BCF from the other thread. Sadly 'tis not a spoof.

It is on the parliament website dated 26 September 2018 although it should have been pre June 2016.

I am just looking at that link.
I try not to swear in posts but
OH FUCK

We don’t know … We don’t know the extent to which regulations under the Act (or other legislation) will “modify” this body of law in anticipation of, and immediately following, exit day. The Act’s “correcting power” allows Ministers to modify domestic law (including retained EU law) by Statutory Instrument (SI). A Minister can do this where he or she considers it “appropriate” to do so for certain purposes. Those purposes include preventing, remedying or mitigating perceived “deficiencies” or failures of retained EU law to “operate effectively” arising from withdrawal.15 Until the (by the Government’s estimate) 800-1000 SIs under the Act are published over the coming months, we cannot say for certain how widely the “correcting” power will be exercised in practice.16

Oh Fuck indeed

I have cut and pasted this bit of BCF's link, because this is exactly what worried me the most about 'taking back control' , what it essentially means is ONE person can modify UK laws at will. That is one ordinary human being, deciding which bit's to keep and which bit's to bin on behalf of 65million people. That doesn't and never will feel like democracy to me.

It is on the parliament website dated 26 September 2018 although it should have been pre June 2016.

I fully expect the Mail, Express, Sun, Times and Telegraph to completely ignore it.

Any reporting in the Guardian, Independent, FT, New European etc will be dismissed as “Project Fear”.

Am I reading that link right , it does say that a minister basically has carte blanche to modify law as they see fit, not parliament, just a minister ?

Worried my confirmation bias may have kicked in with the aid of a couple of glasses of wine

in case anyone is wary of the link above for the Common's briefing paper, you can get to it via www.parliament.uk/business/publications/research/eu-referendum/

This is truly scary stuff.

As a remainer I tend to read news that fits my "view".

I'm lucky enough to have a subscription to the Financial Times which is excellent for the pro-business (hence pro remain) POV.

I find twitter a great source but you do have to fact check a lot of it but the better tweeters quite often reference their stance with links to govt papers, research, news etc.

When I need to find out who we're at war with this week or who "shut down remainer with brilliant response" and to see where my mum and dad get their views from, I put on an ad blocker (I will not have this rag earn a penny from me!) and flit to the express....until I start despairing too much then jump over to the reuters/guardian/huffpo to cleanse myself.