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How would having an election help?

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Bouledeneige · 25/09/2018 13:23

Just been reading about the options for Brexit on the BBC news site and one option is to have a general election. Irrespective of the outcome how would that help?

We'd still need to decide between some key options:

  1. leave with a deal based on the chequers proposal
  2. leave without a deal and fall back on the World Trade Organisation trading status - ie tariffs for exports to EU
  3. seek a new deal based on the Norway, Ukraine or Swiss options (like by March!?!)
  4. hold a referendum on the options either with or without re-running the in or out vote again.

If Labour won a general election do we think the negotiation/resolution of this issue is that more likely before The end of March?

If the Conservatives won is resolution of this issue more likely? (I suppose their might be a new hard Brexit PM who would go for option 2)

If there was a hung parliament is success more likely?

Anyone out there who thinks the answer to any of these questions is yes?

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1tisILeClerc · 28/09/2018 09:42

I am getting to the stage where I want it all over, whichever way, so I can delete MN completely and concentrate on pictures of kittens and checking out future holiday destinations in Europe.

YeOldeTrout · 28/09/2018 15:43

It's not going to be 'over with' for at least a decade to come. Plausibly more like 20 years. The only way for this to be 'over with' was if we got a resounding Remain result.

1tisILeClerc · 28/09/2018 15:49

I was meaning March 30 /April 1st.
Then I can watch the news on t'tinternet and it could be like the film 'Apocalypse now' but brought up to the current day with real Brit actors in it.
Maybe go up to Calais with a deckchair, binoculars and a crate of beer and watch the cabinet being thrown over the White cliffs of Dover.

Ta1kinpeace · 28/09/2018 16:57

Somebody just popped this link on another thread.
Oh dear
researchbriefings.parliament.uk/ResearchBriefing/Summary/CBP-8408#fullreport

HateIsNotGood · 28/09/2018 19:38

No - another GE won't help

Mistigri · 29/09/2018 08:02

If labour just stated that they would halt this shitstorm I think they would increase their polling position pretty quickly.

Do you think so? I know this is the line pushed by the "people's vote" crowd, but I think that the evidence for it is slim. At the last GE a lot of tactical remain/centrist votes went to Labour and they didn't win. And I think Corbyn was less unpopular back then.

Among my labour-voting friends, their brexit policy is an annoyance but not a deal breaker - they have lost far more support due to antisemitism than they ever lost for not standing against brexit.

OTOH a Tory party that shifted to favour a people's vote and ran against a pro-Brexit Corbyn-led Labour Party would win a landslide - but that ain't happening.

Peregrina · 29/09/2018 08:20

And I think Corbyn was less unpopular back then.

I am not sure if that is the case. Not being in a strong Labour area I only have the press to go on, and they were constantly on about Labour 'heartlands' not supporting Corbyn. Come the election, when the rules about purdah came into force and the media had to stop the constant criticism of Corbyn, he showed himself very effective on the stump. DB went to one of his rallies - the square it was held in was packed. This was in a sometimes Labour, sometimes Tory area. Labour won that seat comfortably. So I think when people had a chance to make up their own minds, they were much happier with what they saw. No - Labour didn't win, but remember that May called the election expecting a landslide, and then nearer the time predictions of 50 or so seats were deemed acceptable, and then went and lost her majority.

As for the antisemitism - I suspect that in many parts of the country the Jewish population is quite small, so it's not the major issue for the majority of the voters. Having once lived in a strong Labour area, the male chauvinism was the thing which put me off Labour, and I wasn't conscious of any antisemitism. Are or were they more antisemitic than the Tories?

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