If we remain within the EU

[MyNameIsArthur]

If somehow, Brexit is overturned and we end up remaining in the EU, would everything be as it was before? Would we remain under the same terms or status or would anything change, do you think?

We'd remain under the same arrangement unless the government negotiated something new.

So we would still receive the rebate, for instance?

I believe that if A50 is rescinded before the March 29 deadline we get to stay on the same terms. This doesn't mean that the E27 won't be mightily pissed off at the UK though.
After March 29 if we wanted to get back in, the bar would be much higher and we would lose all the opt outs and deals we have at the moment. It would also take about 20 years to be allowed to be considered so we can't just 'prat about' as we have been doing for the last 2 years.

Afaiu, as long as we don't leave ie we'd need to revoke Art 50 before 29 March 2019, all terms stay as they are. Once we leave, everything would be up for renegotiation as we'd be applying as a 3rd country.

Good question! If we stop Article 50 before 29 March, then we have good reason to argue everything remains the same! If we leave, and then ask to join again (whether one day, one year, or ten years later) this would most likely be treated as a new application, so any special arrangements would have to be negotiated all over again! So the 29th March 2019 is a very important date.

It depends on exactly when it was overturned. Before the March deadline we would just stay, on the same terms, but might struggle in the future to get our way quite as well as we did previously (we can't say 'we'll leave if...').

After that point, well, we'd be very dependent on goodwill from our EU neighbours, and we have eroded much of that, but the most likely scenario would be slowly renegotiating entry, but on much poorer terms than previously, So as the PP says, we'd likely lose our opt outs.

So we would have to get a move on then if we need to have a second referendum?!

Actually, not even 'likely' lose opt outs. I can't imagine a scenario in the case of renegotiating entry where we could possibly keep them.

There is an in built 'delay' mechanism where we couldn't reapply for at least 10 possibly 20 years.The UK members who helped writing the 'rules' deliberately made it difficult to wriggle out (2 years from A50 being declared) and difficult to get back in.

Yes we would absolutely need to get a move on for second ref! That was why what Michael Gove was saying at the weekend was so significant because the Brexiteers know that once we've left the EU (29 March) there's really no way back and therefore they can push for a really hard Brexit thereafter.

So if you wanted a referendum wiith the choice "stay in the EU" it seems to me the only chance is to withdraw article 50 or get an extension of it from the EU. Neither seem to be on the government's agenda sadly. So pushing for a "meaningful" second referendum looks like our only chance.

I could imagine a lot of resistance by the EU27 against a delay, more than about a month perhaps. I think to allow a delay might have to be unanimous among the EU27, so who have we pissed off the most?
Scallops, Car manufacturers, Airoplane manufacturer....Hmmmmm.

Even if we cancelled A50, some things have already gone or are going like the EMA and the EBA, and firms are making plans to shift production. So we won't get back to where we were in 2016. Like others I think the damage we have done in goodwill towards the other countries won't be repaired in a hurry. They would think twice, or three times, just in case we pulled the "we're leaving stunt" again.

Is it likely that if we remained, we would have a weaker negotiating position because the threat of us leaving would be gone in the eyes of the eu27 ?

In theory we would not be penalised if we remained but the chances of getting further good deals would be slim unless it happened to be something that the majority of the EU27 want.
Norway has no votes but spends a lot 'lobbying' the voting members to put their case. Perhaps not as efficient as having a direct seat with MEPs but it works for them as I presume what they want from the EU is less of an issue.

I think that's why the rest of the EU is standing firm now. We have whined and whined for special deals, got them mostly, it's never been enough, and this time, when May and Co thought we could cherry pick the bits we wanted but not pay, we have had our bluff called.

Just looking through the Chequers 'agreement' and examine what is being 'demanded' by May and co, then think about the 'rules' that are the cornerstones of the EU it is obvious why the rules are written as they are. I am not sure if the UK was party to writing them originally but they are entirely logical.

I think the UK wrote some of the rules - e.g. the A50 legislation is the work of the Scottish Lord Kerr. I know Leavers like to pretend that we have been rule takers all the time.

I'd like to think the madness if the last two years can be forgotten and we carry on with the sweet deal we had.

The economy will remain damaged and firms will continue to implement their moving plans (unless they haven’t spent too much on it yet).

Politically we will not regain previous power until our economy recovers.

We will not get special treatment again.

And if we try to get in post-29 March, we would have to take all the rules including the Euro. We got a special deal before because we were already in, but the EU can not afford to cut special deals for one new member as all the others seeking accession would then demand bespoke deals. The whole enterprise only works if there is consistent application of the rules.

WE ARE NOT STAYING IN THE EU!!

Nothing is decided until everything is...

Well it certainly looks that way Dragongirl but if Theresa May manages to fudge negotiate some sort of deal with the EU and brings it back to Parliament, but then Parliament rejects it, that could trigger a major constitutional crisis. Who knows what would happen then?

Having said that ...the reality is that all the parties have to do now is agree (the legally binding) withdrawal agreement including the transition agreement which then gives both parties until Dec 2020 to sort out the future trading relationship which is still a very short time frame and could then lead (very worryingly) to a Michael Gove hard Brexit in Dec 2020.

I agree with Peregrina. We're already losing some companies, frameworks and individuals. Things won't be as they were in 2016 and a lot of relationship damage has already been done.