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Brexit

If we remain within the EU

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MyNameIsArthur · 18/09/2018 20:37

If somehow, Brexit is overturned and we end up remaining in the EU, would everything be as it was before? Would we remain under the same terms or status or would anything change, do you think?

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prettybird · 19/09/2018 10:50

FDI (Foreign Direct Investment) has already fallen off a cliff. That money is now going to other countries who will see the benefit Sad

MyNameIsArthur · 19/09/2018 21:55

So even if we did pull out of Brexit now, there are some irreversible consequences?

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1tisILeClerc · 19/09/2018 22:02

Well.
About 17 million pissed off 'Leavers'.
About 16 Million pissed off 'Remainers'
About 550 Million pissed off Europeans.
Quite a few other angry people elsewhere for a variety of reasons.
Shitloads of money spent.
International reputation down the toilet.
There are probably loads of other reasons.

RollerJed · 19/09/2018 23:15

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Peregrina · 20/09/2018 08:12

I don't think you'd have 17 million pissed off Leavers. Find the money for the NHS, and you are probably down to 10 million. Find the money to kill off Austerity which was probably about what getting rid of Cameron was about and then you would be down to the 5 million or so racists/xenophobes, who can't be reached anyway.

The rest I pretty much agree with.

1tisILeClerc · 20/09/2018 08:33

The UK has always had plenty of money but the government are hell bent on destroying the country in favour of a few of the very wealthy. It is a historical complaint, it has always been the case.
Nowhere on earth is 'a garden of Eden' but despite some issues countries like Norway and Sweden, which value family life over excess profits (oversimplification) are much better places to be.
Mrs may is talking about 2 Billion for new house building schemes, HS2, and Trident, where is this money coming from? If the country is 'broke' then it can't deliver these super expensive projects. If it is not broke why has it not invested in existing train network, roads, schools,hospitals, the list goes on.
When you have Sir whoever on SKY this morning (conservative MP) talking about taking back Sovereignty, you know , the Sovereignty we never lost in the first place, it suggests strongly that the UK IS doomed due to either stupidity or deliberate recklessness.
Surely Sovereignty only actually 'belongs' to a couple of hundred people in the world. The only SOVEREIGN in the UK is the queen, we are all SUBJECTS. Similarly all other countries in the world.

placemats · 20/09/2018 18:25

Well UK government can put the idea of a second referendum to the EU27, and effectively stall the exit date in March.

The EU is always accommodating when it comes to 2nd referendums.

And given that the Chequers deal is looking less likely to be accepted, mainly in part to the pesky situation regarding Northern Ireland, it might happen. Certainly the UK deal is not robust, despite May's belief in it.

placemats · 20/09/2018 18:28

Certainly the Tory Party Conference is going to be fun this year!

1tisILeClerc · 20/09/2018 18:33

Any delay would only be a matter of weeks, possibly 6 at most and to have a delay accepted there would have to be very good grounds for it and MASSIVE movement by the UK.
Remember it is the UK that is leaving and entirely the UK's job to accommodate the EU. The EU are not 'bullies' they are a 'club' with club rules.

Moussemoose · 20/09/2018 18:37

We would lose massive amounts of soft power. We would be humiliated and look stupid the economy would suffer but wouldn't totally tank.

prettybird · 20/09/2018 18:38

The EU won't can't allow A50 to be stalled that long: the EU elections are 23-26 May and there is no way that they would want UKIP MEPs being awkward and/or lazy and drawing salaries for another 5 years, as I understand they would be entitled to do, even if the UK leaves the day after the elections Confused

So 8 weeks maximum.

Tanith · 20/09/2018 19:17

Several prominent Leavers will lose a great deal of money. This will make them very unhappy. It will cheer me up no end Smile

jasjas1973 · 20/09/2018 20:00

No downsides to Remaining, the £ would rise, meaning imports become cheaper, decreasing inflationary pressure, investment decisions delayed could be enacted.
Any negotiator worth their salt would also extract concessions from the EU too, perhaps on net payments or FOM.

As the current politicians would all have to go, our world status wouldn't be affected either.

Most people, remain or leave are sick of it and would be glad its coming to an end.

But i can't the UK remaining, however May has been humiliated in Salzburg, so who knows? she was certainly wrong footed when asked about a no-deal, which she knows is catastrophic for the UK, as the Democrat's said "its the Economy stupid"

MyNameIsArthur · 20/09/2018 20:04

I wonder if the two year time between A50 and leaving was not a sufficient amount of time to begin with or is it just that the UK has been difficult?

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1tisILeClerc · 20/09/2018 20:47

The '2 year rule' was made deliberately short to make it difficult. In part, it stops the 'shilly shallying' around and focuses the mind. If the UK hadn't the contentious borders of NI and Gibraltar things could have been a lot smoother, and of course if the UK had a plan that would have helped too but the 'purpose' and remit of 'leave' was too vague. Allied to the fact that the UK is wanting to 'cherry pick' some of the 'good bits' which are against the basic 4 premises of the EU it was bound to be disastrous. If any other country wanted to leave it would have to accept the 'issues' caused by the decision. Spain could have an issue with Catalunya or the Basque areas and I assume other countries might have similar sticking points but crucially there is no massive appetite for others to leave. Of course there are 'grumbles' but deep down the EU is generally a good idea.

jasjas1973 · 20/09/2018 21:09

@MyNameIsArthur

May is not only negotiating with the EU but also the Tory anti EU right wing, plus the pro EU wing too! and after the snap GE, the DUP, a hard line party linked with corruption and terrorism, not stable bed fellows.

Sure 2 years would be difficult but May was a fool to call that GE, had she the best interests of the UK at heart instead of her path to power, she'd have waited until after Brexit etc.

1tisILeClerc · 20/09/2018 21:21

I suppose you could argue that Mrs May could just sign up to anything (that the EU will accept) as she will NEVER please a significant number of people in the UK.
Roughly half want in, half want out that means about half will be disappointed, except that when push comes to shove, If/when we go out practically EVERYBODY will be disappointed with the shit that is left of the UK.

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