Brexit

[diamondcity1]

AIBU to think Brexit is a disaster and will cause economic hardship for years to come? I have a big mortgage, I can't afford increases in prices- we were told we would be instantly better off if we left.

Just facts 10degrees
I am lucky, most of those issues don't affect me personally, but most women have enjoyed these rights up until now. If anyone has daughters or women in their families they might want to keep those rights.

Brexit news: No-Deal would be ‘DISASTROUS for women’, warns equality party leader | Politics | News – UK
politicmag.net/politics-news/brexit-news-no-deal-would-be-disastrous-for-women-warns-equality-party-leader-politics-news-uk-3262-2018/
Probably why 12% (56%) more women than men want to stay in the EU now.

Woman

Thanks for the link - it’s an interesting perspective, just not one I had heard before.

I’m a leaver (but before my head gets taken clean off I happily accept there were many sound reasons to remain)

I do hope you are wrong (in a positive sense) and that Brexit doesn’t adversely affect women. I understand your anxieties though - if we get a completely clean exit then it will mean a change of direction for the country. Change comes with opportunities but also anxieties! :)

That’s a pretty extreme perspective and not a long leap from ‘Brexit is the fault of men’
Notreally. Women are also disproportionately affected by austerity measures too, largely because they are lower earners.

Kew

I would agree per se, thought let’s not forget that many women voted for Brexit and that in doing so there were lots of factors: economics were just one of those

You're welcome 10egrees
It's not 'anxiety' it's just logic though.
Lose laws= lose rights
Lose business tax income = lose public services
Lose SM and CU = lose access to our biggest neares market and jobs

More on women's rights and services (like DV refuges) lost by leaving are here:
www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/brexit-impact-women-fawcett-society_uk_5ab8f513e4b054d118e4fe60
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/women-brexit-britain-rights-services-ehcr-report-un-geneva-a8460321.html

I'm a leaver desperately hoping this awful decision gets reversed. Sadly as a single parent I already get the shit end of austerity, my family cannot take no more. I stupidly thought there would be some sort of plan!

I must also express why I voted leave before I get shouted down. Where I live there is an large amount of Europeans - fine in theory- however when we have a government intent on destroying public services and lowering immigration (meaning those needed are restricted as they wouldn't restrict EU migrants) I voted for the change where I could. We may have this government for a long time and their underfunding has resulted in problems with EU migration. I have voted labour twice before the election to try and change my situation, that didn't work, and voted labour again after Brexit - shock - nothing changed.

I feel stuck. I guess I just need to accept that no matter what I am now I'm a group people are happy to see struggle.

I have no animosity towards leavers - most of my family who’ve changed their minds. None of us knew as much as we should have done two years ago. Most of us have learnt a lot since then.
Please speak out loud and clear though- it does help.

I voted for the change where I could

Your leave vote makes complete sense on the story they gave us.
But they just missed bits out of their story.
Like they could control immigration, but fired civil servants instead. Workers rights and public service rights have been being smashed up since 2010 and before.
Nothing to do with the EU.
AintNoCista

Oh I know they played on my financial and social insecurities and sold me a bloody lie. I've never been so angry at myself for falling for it.

I feel as if I'm on the same lines as those who vote Tory because of channel 5 and the daily mail.

I really hope they stop Brexit, I don't even want another vote, I just want less instability. How anyone can think this should, at the very least, be delayed baffles me. Pure stubbornness and ignorance.

I've never been so angry at myself for falling for it
They paid good money for people to be persuaded. It's not 'falling' for it. It's just politics. I don't ever see why anyone should feel guilty about a voting choice. It's the funders of brexit, government and parliament's fault for messing up/ stitching us up.

Alas I fear there is a plan and the 'usual' leavers (and almost everyone) are just 'collateral damage'.
Immigration by itself is not a problem and in general should be encouraged BUT with it comes responsibility of the UK government to ensure that local infrastructure (housing, doctors, schools, transport etc) keep pace with the need. The Tory Gov (typically) have a poor record for doing this and try every excuse to give the responsibility to someone else, either by privatising or other means.
So, the Gov should either restrict ALL immigration or correctly use revenues generated by the immigrants to improve the areas where they settle.
@Aint, are the immigrants you refer to actually European?
I think (happy to be corrected) that European immigrants on the whole are either 'professionals' (doctors, or technical, high earners) or the seasonal who come and do the crap jobs for low pay and probably return home to their families 'out of season'.
I see the basic problems as wage inequality and governmental failure to manage the local environment.
Neither are EU based issues in themselves and unlikely to change, or even worsen by 'leaving' the EU. One of the EU functions is to assist deprived areas by pushing governments to distribute wealth more evenly. It is not legally enforceable unfortunately as it would have helped many areas of the UK.

Definitely European, I'm actually friends with a few families (hence the shame in my vote). They themselves are lovely and hardworking, however the school places, GPs etc are just not there which means they become a problem through reasons beyond their control. I really hate what austerity has done to the idea of immigration, we've become such a hostile, sad angry little country.

It is one of the stated aims of the EU to try to 'even up' and improve the standard of living for ALL within the EU. Membership money is taken by the EU and then redistributed to areas of greatest poverty. As the EU cannot force any government to actually put this money where it is needed it is less a than perfect system. Sovereignty is maintained and it is the individual governments who are to blame if it does not happen. The EU can 'criticise' but not enforce. Sadly expecting the UK gov to actually improve any time soon is a false hope, especially since they could have done this all along.

I believe Westminster got it's wrists slapped for failing to send regeneration money to parts of Wales a few years back.

aintnocista
I'm a long term EU resident in the process of naturalising (I'm just £1.3k and a few weeks away from my goal now!)
Leave voters like you never made me angry for one second. I get the issues and the need for change. I've also been on the receiving end of some of the things you describe (200+ waiting list for local school etc.)
What truly gives me the rage is how leave campaigners just manipulated people and sold them simplified sound bites as solutions when they bloody well knew they weren't solutions. As you say yourself, they don't mind seeing you struggle, but I would add they don't mind using your vote either!
Selling foreigners/ immigrants down the river is bad enough but doing that to your own people with a straight face is a million times worse.

Mr Mogg is STILL telling 'porkie pies' about everything is going to be great and announcing lots of big expensive projects which while sounding great don't match up well with the governmental instructions to cut almost everything.
Suggesting he will use the £39 Billion that is due to the EU for this which is contrary to the comment that the £39 Billion is due to be paid as it is already 'guaranteed' by Mrs May.

droningon not all of us in Wales voted for this. While I share some of your sentiment I wish I didn't have to suffer the effects of what's coming. I'm beginning to understand why so many Welsh took the massive step into the unknown and boarded ships to Patagonia and Pennsylvania. I wish I could do the same 😠

Lovetosinglalala123 I understand your point but in Wales and England the majority voted to leave, in Scotland 62% voted to stay, and were being dragged out against our collective will.

Droning I live in an area that was Remain. I feel extremely angry that I'm being dragged out against my will.

So many leavers are like the three (un)wise monkeys - see no facts, hear no facts, keep spouting bollocks about sovereignty and getting our country back and control over our borders.

Liam Fox is now having a reality check and saying "we must not have irrational positivity" and "all will not be rosy once we have have left the EU"

Though as a millionaire, i doubt he has too much to worry about, Thanks Liam.

I subscribe to the online Daily Mail, there is massive support for a Hard Brexit there, and threats of civil disorder if it isn't delivered!
We not only want to take our country back, we want to take it back to about 1950! (The time when we had our own motorcycle and car industry.)
And we will achieve that with a hard Brexit, while all other countries want to keep moving forward and developing international trade!

diamondcity
Except we won't achieve that because a hard brexit would kill manufacturing.

Unless we keep CU and SM manufacturing as co partners with Europe is dead. Financial trading and services will be severely damaged.
The Mogg, saying that a 'bit of friction' is no trouble simply hasn't got it. How would he feel about an enforced wait of say 10 minutes to go in or out through his house front door, EVERY SINGLE TIME.

Trucks with goods coming in or going out if they are NOT carrying EU goods (so they are a third country) have 60 to 90 minutes wait even if they are not making customs declarations.