To ask if anyone know what happens with EU citizens after brexit

[BlueandYellowandRed]

I'm from an EU country and have been living and working in England for 6 years now.

I just looked into getting British citizenship which apparently cost £1330. It's fine if it comes down to that I'm happy to pay for it. Although might move countries again as kind of started feeling a bit unwelcome here since the whole brexit thing took off.

Anyway I was just looking at the application and it crossed my mind that there must be millions of people in the same shoes as me and I wonder what the plan is for us after brexit?

I am a UK citizen by birth. I lived in the ROI for many years. There are very many similarities. In fact, it appears seamless to move between them.
I voted leave.
I do not see why EU nationals should be trreated any differently to people from non EU countries who wish to move here. And, Talking. I know very many UK citizens ( born here) who work as care workers etc. These are not “shitty jobs” .
And despite your accountancy qualification, i think you are very silly if you think some EU nationals come here without a job. If 80% of them are working, as you say they are, then 20% are not working.

Copper - in that 20% are probably plenty of trailing spouses. There are figures out there that show that EU migration is beneficial to the UK.

Also - do you then disagree with the commenwealth agreement? After all, those people are treated differently to others. Do I recall correctly that they were even able to vote in the referendum when EU nationals weren't? So are you also proposing the UK should leave the commonwealth?

Today I applied for Citizenship in the EU country where I live. I'm British and have lived outside UK for 14.5 years.

Costs 1000EUR plus associated costs for apostille on documents, police check, newspaper advertisements and payment to the local court for stamping the application.

My husband applied for and received is Irish passport last year.

This is what we need to do to ensure we are not consistent 3rd country nationals.

*considered.

Why would the status of someone from e.g. France in the UK after Brexit be any different than the current status of someone from India living in the UK? We just won't have a special relationship with the EU - fine, we don't have a special relationship with India at the moment and lots of people from India are still welcomed to come and work here.

You may or may not be 'thick' but ^ doesn't show much intelligence.

If you are Indian you cannot just get on a plane and set up a life in the UK, you need to apply for a visa before you get on that plane.

At the moment EU citizens have a right to travel to, live in and work in any EU country.

If no policy is created for EU citizens in the UK they will suddenly be in the country without a visa and possibly no right to work or live or claim benefits or rent a property.

If no policy is created for EU citizens in the UK they will suddenly be in the country without a visa and possibly no right to work or live or claim benefits or rent a property.

Exactly - and if they pop off to Paris for a weekend they won’t be able to get back in except as tourists - and if they’re thought to be planning to stay on then they won’t get back in at all!

Just to say - there is a special relationship with India - it's called the commonwealth :) my husband was able to vote in the referendum and I wasn't...

Having said that the doom and gloom here has a bit of a feel of scaremongering. The EU residents will not be kicked out like this, there are other 'back up' rights that they can rely on in the worse case scenario such as the simple fact that they have been in the country for a number of years and if relevant having British children/dependants.

Personally I'm not worried and I won't shell out loads of money for a British passport which I don't need or want. I'm not British, I'm happy here but I don't feel British or want to be British. Let's see! I suppose I have 3 British kids and 15yrs of residence here so I don't feel in a precarious situation. Maybe I'm wrong but I doubt it.

Legally, potentially, you're wrong.

Having said that the doom and gloom here has a bit of a feel of scaremongering. The EU residents will not be kicked out like this, there are other 'back up' rights that they can rely on in the worse case scenario such as the simple fact that they have been in the country for a number of years and if relevant having British children/dependants

Nothing that the government has said in the last two years suggests that you are correct. For those facing the prospect of being forced out of the UK (either because they can no longer easily work, rent or access healthcare or because they are directly told to leave) this is reality, not scaremongering. EU citizens are already leaving the UK in large numbers. I expect that when the next figures are published, which will cover the summer, the figures will show a huge increase in departures as people move at the end of the school year, or use the summer to relocate in time to take up new jobs when businesses and institutions in Europe reopen after their long summer vacations.

Havana - I appreciate the situation isn't great, but to say that EU nationals need to rush to get a UK passport is a bit much. The right to permanent residency after 5yrs is pretty much across the board so EU nationals (like myself) who have been settled for 5yrs or more are not likely to need to obtain a UK passport to stay and instead will be able to apply for permanent residency/settled status or whatever they want to call it.
I certainly don't think I need to get a UK citizenship. If I qualify now I'll qualify next year, they are not going to make millions of people illegal immigrant in the space of a day. Yes the government is shit, yes the situation re brexit is shit, but I don't believe it is THAT shit. Let's talk in 12 months and find out I suppose :)

@oblada you have much more trust in the government than our family does.

The thing is what will 'settled' status entails is the issue?

What will it protect? More concerning what won't it protect? How will it differ from the rights that EU nationals currently have in the UK whilst in the EU as I (and many others I imagine) cannot imagine will continue completely unchanged.

Of course you won't wake up and suddenly be an illegal immigrant but it's highly likely to not have the seamless existence in the UK you have previously known / same rights / access to services / ability to move freely.

From the very beginning EU residents in UK and Britain's abroad have merely been used as pawn pieces in a giant game by people who generally are not directly effected....

It's not so much giving in to scaremongering but the only way to ensure you are not adversely affected.

Citizenship isn't ideal - Yes it costs - It's intrusive - it takes a long time and plenty of people who believe they are entitled to citizenship find loopholes which mean they actually arnt but I feel it's the only sure way to secure our family at least.

@patience - maybe I'm being foolish :) but there is no way I'm getting a British passport at this moment in time. I'm not British, I do not feel British, I do not want to be British. Even though I'm happy here. By the same token I don't want my husband to give up his nationality and become British (he can't be a dual national. I could, like my kids are, but I just don't want to). Let's see what the future holds! I'll consider it of course if it is needed to secure my kids' future but somehow I doubt it'll be needed.

Havana - I appreciate the situation isn't great, but to say that EU nationals need to rush to get a UK passport is a bit much

Nowhere do I suggest that EU citizens should rush to get a UK passport - in my opinion, to swap a EU passport that gives FoM to 27 countries for a UK passport that gives working and living rights to nowhere else would be the height of folly.

If I qualify now I'll qualify next year, they are not going to make millions of people illegal immigrant in the space of a day. Yes the government is shit, yes the situation re brexit is shit, but I don't believe it is THAT shit

To understand why some people do not share your view, please google 'Windrush deportations' and the various news stories regarding EU citizens receiving letters and being told to leave, and other EU citizens actually being arrested and deported despite being in the UK legally.

@oblada EU citizens being deported illegally:

www.thecanary.co/uk/2017/09/12/government-illegally-deporting-eu-citizens-thats-just-start/

www.otssolicitors.co.uk/news/high-court-rules-deporting-homeless-eu-citizens-illegal-–-compensation-may-be-payable-to-those

@oblada the thing is I've experienced how the system works when "computer" says no. When I've first moved here it took several tries to get a NI number. Applied with a job at at a pub... NI number not required. Applied as a self employed cleaner ..NI number not required. Applied with a job offer as admin for a company ...rejected.Agency jobs etc. To get a "proper" job I needed a NI number. To get a NI number I needed a proper job. Round and round it went.

I won't even get into the treatment I had and job conditions from some of the "employers" willing to take me on without a NI.

Rebel - fair enough! It took me 6 months to get a bank account when I came here :) I've also dealt with my husband's visa status (non EU) so I do know. I still don't think I need to worry. I have 15yrs here and 3 British kids. But let's see :) I'll apply for settled status.

oblada
I had ILR for 40 years, English husband, English kids
but once you start reading the guidance that the racist xenophobe Theresa May gave to the Home Office under the "hostile environment" rules

you'll see that anybody can be deported (or more likely refused re admission after a holiday) on a whim and then have to fight their case from outside the UK

Tak1npeace - if that happened I'd just go somewhere else. In France, India or somewhere else! I'm happy anywhere to be honest. It'd be a headache but I'm not getting a UK passport out of fear. That's just how I feel about it.

Sorry got your username wrong :)
I see the sense in what you're saying. Still don't want to act out of fear. At the end of the day a lot of what we do have risks and consequences and we choose what we are comfortable with.... I may change my mind but for now I'll stay as I am :)

oblada
if that happened I'd just go somewhere else
Sorry love, but you are deluded.
I've lived in this country since I was a child.
Why would I move to India if my husband and kids were still in the UK?
And why would France take me ? By birth I'm non EU, non Commonwealth.

Those who have convinced themselves it will be fine astound me with their arrogance.

Ta1kinpeace - I was referring to me! :) we're an Indian-French family hence the references! appreciate not everyone wants to move. i just dont want to get a passport for those reasons thats all. maybe im a bit idealistic :)

oblada I agree with you in principle, it’s just that Windrush and EU citizens getting sent letters telling them to leave the country don’t give me much confidence in the UK government handling this fairly. I don’t think I panic that easily but basically I don’t trust the government. And the rudeness and sarcasm I’ve encountered when entering the UK leads me to believe that there are plenty of border staff who would really enjoy applying the rules (or lack thereof) to the absolute letter come March.

I live elsewhere in the EU (and am non-EU FWIW) and it’s always been very clear and straightforward here what UK citizens would need to do to maintain legal residency in the absence of any agreement. Within the UK it seems like the govt has even relished the uncertainty created for EU immigrants.

Oh and BTW I agree completely with your post of 14:05

oblada

I don't blame you for leaving if things got that difficult. This country clearly doesn't want you. I just wish I could leave.

oblada
You have the option to leave.
Many others don't.
But the UK Government is making them unwelcome
despite the fact that employers desperately need them to stay.