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Westministenders: A LOOOONNNGGGGGGGG Hot Summer

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RedToothBrush · 24/07/2018 19:57

May has officially demoted Raab and the Brexit Department to just being responsible for practical implimentation in the UK and not negogitions.

This shouldn't be a surprise, its been the case in reality for some time, much to David Davis annoyance.

The official government position now seems to be scare the shit out of everyone about the possibility of No Deal in order to force the EU to make a deal. Jeremy Hunt has been dutifully spelling this out, by talking about an 'accidental' Brexit.

The government are already outsourcing responsibility for this potential eventuality to industy and business by telling them they need to stockpile food in order to keep supply lines going. This WILL mean price rises will start to happen soon. It also means there is no coordinated government plan and if businesses can't afford to do this as its heavily dependant on having sufficient cash flow in reserve to be able to do it, or don't want to, then you, me and everyone else is going to be well and truly on their own. Whilst the public are not being told to stockpile, its hard to justify not doing so, if this is the current government line.

The government has also done a u-turn on when the repeal of the European Communities Act will come into force. They fought hard to have it fixed for 29th March 2019. Thats now been rolled back to Dec 2020. This is fine, but in practice, makes no difference what so ever if we have no deal or the EU refuse to honour a transition deal on the terms the UK want. The ERG will also go nuts at it and try to get May to roll back on it.

Raab has also made a point of saying that if we don't have a deal by October (rather than midnight 29th March 2019) we are going into No Deal land by default.

Parliament has now broken up for the summer, with May surviving, so things are likely to be a little quieter for a few weeks, but come September this is all going to blow up with avengance.

If you think the last few weeks have been a rollercoaster, just wait for the Autumn.

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Peregrina · 26/07/2018 23:46

I do wonder how old some of those ranting in The Sun are.

OlennasWimple · 26/07/2018 23:56

I just read that the penalty imposed on Ian Paisley Jnr is the most stringent in 70 years Shock

Icantreachthepretzels · 26/07/2018 23:56

I do wonder how for real some of those ranting in The Sun are. Pro brexit posters are not always known for their veracity.

mathanxiety · 27/07/2018 01:52

The anti-everything fervour is building, yes.

But those particular anti-Irish tropes have deep roots. Because of this and also because of poor spelling and grammar, I have no reason to believe they are not genuine ignorant pond life Sun readers.

The idea of the Irish as poverty stricken 'Fenian' backstabbers who count for nothing has been around for hundreds of years. It's all seeping out of the woodwork along with the rest of the sewage now that civil society has ceased to be in the UK.

frumpety · 27/07/2018 06:54

Ah Booths , they have their new season bags in store now Smile

SergeantPfeffer · 27/07/2018 06:59

Booths is more expensive than Waitrose where I am. I love it (the cheese counter Grin) butcan only afford it for special occasions. Except for their weirdly cheap deals on beer.

This is me placemarking Blush

RedToothBrush · 27/07/2018 07:30

Vauxhall Labour Party CLP statement:

It goes to great lengths to say MPs should have their own opinions but an accumulative effect of supporting Tory Brexit, supporting fox hunting, working for Boris Johnson, campaigning with Farage, signing a DUP amendment which threatens the GFA and opposing the Labour ban on handguns after Dunblane massacre doesn't really sound like you are in the right party.

They've asked for Hoey's deselection and loss of the whip.

Westministenders: A LOOOONNNGGGGGGGG Hot Summer
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RedToothBrush · 27/07/2018 07:41

amp.ft.com/content/13acf2c0-90e4-11e8-b639-7680cedcc421?__twitter_impression=true
British food stores ridicule Brexit stockpiling plans
Retailers say they have had no government contact over no-deal supplies

brc.org.uk/news/2018/stockpiling-of-food-is-not-a-practical-response-to-a-no-deal-on-brexit
Statement on stockpiling from the British Retail Association

Jim Pickard @ pickardje
um so if the retailers aren’t stockpiling food and the government isn’t stockpiling food who if anyone - in Raab’s phrase - is “doing the stockpiling”?

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RedToothBrush · 27/07/2018 07:44

amp.theguardian.com/society/2018/jul/27/private-probation-companies-contracts-ended-early-justice?__twitter_impression=true
Private probation companies to have contracts ended early
Bailout totalling £500m criticised as justice secretary consults on new scheme

Is Grayling a Russian plant to destroy the country?

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RedToothBrush · 27/07/2018 07:49

Anyway Barnier killed off May's customs plan yesterday saying that the uk voted to protect its sovereignty and borders so we'll understand the EU doing the same and not allowing a third country to oversee its customs arrangements.

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SacrebleuLondres · 27/07/2018 07:52

There never was a deal that was possible.

The outcome has only ever been binary. Remain or Crash Out.

TheElementsSong · 27/07/2018 07:58

British food stores ridicule Brexit stockpiling plans

Treason!

the EU doing the same and not allowing a third country to oversee its customs arrangements

I believe the argument in this instance is as follows:
"We shall criticise the EU for irrational and emotional PunishmentBullying which will disadvantage them too, when a mutually materially/economically beneficial solution is for them to dispassionately give us whatever we want."

In order for this argument to hold water, it is necessary to forget the other position, which is:
"We shall criticise the EU and Remainers for being soulless rational automata, calculating only material/economic factors, when True Brexit Patriots voted out of their deeply-held emotional attachment to noble abstract concepts for which we are wiling to endure any level of disadvantage."

ConstantlyCold · 27/07/2018 08:17

I don’t have anything useful to add. Just want to share the love for Booths.

My daughter is obsessed with their Christmas catalogs. She had saved the last 4 years.

RedToothBrush · 27/07/2018 08:20

Yeah Barnier rejected it, then EU negotiaters fucked off on holiday for August. Leaving the UK sweating.

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BigChocFrenzy · 27/07/2018 08:36

I read that Barnier offered to continue talks, but it was Raab who specified a later date.

Anyway, May and Robbins are now leading the negotiations and May at least, is off on her walking hols

I expect / hope that the next level down of negotiators will continue in the background - if they have anything to discuss

Otherwise - for her / any plan's survival - May might be waiting until after her party conference, to make concessions
BUT
that is 30 September - 3 October.
So basically either a total climbdown at the last moment, if the markets & public begin to panic
or no-deal
or WTO with a few add-ons like flights - if the EU thinks that's worth having

Tanith · 27/07/2018 08:53

Booths aren't much good for anyone outside the North West, though.

I'd rather shop at my local farm shop than at any supermarket - it's got an excellent reputation for quality. But it's hardly comparing like with like and it's not much good to anyone outside my area.
They stopped supplying the supermarkets because of their unreasonable demands but I think they still supply the restaurants.

prettybird · 27/07/2018 09:06

From Twitter

.....I do speak French Wink

@pkandelic: I don't read French. What does this say? Is it good https://t.co/lx46V1jAj5

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RedToothBrush · 27/07/2018 09:23

Farmers are traitors and don't seem too on board with no deal

inews.co.uk/news/armageddon-scenario-no-deal-brexit/
British farmers say ‘no deal’ Brexit would be an ‘Armageddon scenario’ NFU president Minette Batters said the food sector could be on the "brink of collapse".

NFU Cymru President John Davies said Welsh lamb is a particular area of concern. He said: “The key points to come out of today’s Brexit seminar are that access to key markets remains a huge concern for Welsh farmers, not least those in the sheep industry who currently see a third of the Welsh lamb crop go to the EU. “I cannot stress strongly enough the importance of negotiators securing a deal that allows the industry to prosper post-Brexit”.

It is not just lamb facing difficulties, but all red meat. Farmers have talked about a “seismic shock” through rural communities if trade is fettered. Meat Promotion Wales’ chairman Kevin Roberts said later in the week: “Tariffs at any level would be a tourniquet on trade – and the unthinkable, a no deal Brexit would be catastrophic for our stakeholders. “To be blunt, in that scenario there would be no European exports.”

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RedToothBrush · 27/07/2018 09:29

The no confidence vote in Hoey was unanimous btw

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AlarmClocks · 27/07/2018 09:32

If you go through the voting record of Corbyn, how many times did he vote against the labour whips?

Hoey joined the labour party, it's now the communist party and keep Laour branding, so no wonder the communists at her CLP state she is in the wrong party.

Quietrebel · 27/07/2018 09:46

prettybird do you know what newspaper this was taken from?
The bits that are shown on the pic list give a summary of problems that we all know about.
I have a few French business contacts who thought until recently that brexit was going ok (they hadn't really followed it!). Now I think the wider EU public is also starting to realise what's going on over here.

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Quietrebel · 27/07/2018 09:47

On the picture (editing would be great...)

Peregrina · 27/07/2018 09:57

If Hoey has the whip withdrawn does it make any practical difference, given that she votes with the Tories normally?

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