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Westministenders: May's Turd Way covered in Donald's Glittery Tickertape from his Parade

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RedToothBrush · 10/07/2018 17:29

Where next?

Auditions for chief turd polisher to Mrs May are in full action, whilst those who don't believe in the turd, wade about knee deep in their own shit, still searching for that illusive plan for Brexit which doesn't stink to high heaven of crap.

After the dual resignation of Davis and Johnson, amongst the stench there is an air of uncertainity and expectation of all hell breaking loose.

In the last 48 hours we have been told that

  1. May is more secure having crushed the brexiteers,
  2. May about to be ousted by a no confidence vote, triggering a leadership election,
  3. The Tory Party are about to split,
  4. Brexiteers are in disarray fighting amongst themselves,
  5. We will remain in the EU,
  6. We get an EEA deal,
  7. We will get no deal,
  8. A People's vote is inevitable and
  9. There will be a General Election.

Which only serves to merely highlight just how little of a clue ANYONE has about what happens next.

What bothers me now, is that Johnson seems not to have surfaced yet and there are rumours that Gove has gone to ground, whilst Donald Trump is practically on the plane and is stirring the pot praising Johnson.

Instead we seem to have a series of junior ministers and Tory HQ figures quitting in a long drawn out coordinated toy throwing out of the pram exercise, to try and get what hard brexiteers want.

If I had to hazard a guess at the general silence from key figures, I might be tempted to say that someone is going to use Trump's visit to throw a political grenade and actively invite him to endorse them.

That might sound ridiculous given that the public hates Trump, but that loses sight of the fact that the people who will vote for the next leader of the Tory Party are overwhelming authoritarian leaning and likely to be those who like Trump and would be impressed by such a move.

I note this tweet today from the wise Sarah Kendzior:

Sarah Kendzior @sarahkendzior
"There are parallels to past authoritarianism, but what's happening with Trump, in the digital age, is new and transnational. The president's loyalty is not necessarily to a state but to foreign leaders and multinational criminal alliances. The state is just something to sell."

It is clear that others in the parliamentary party will be very alarmed at the prospect. There were Tory MPs who were openly tweeted how please that disgusting Johnson had gone and are no fans of Trump.

May still seems to think that she can get her plan through and approved by the EU in its current form. The White Paper is due on Thursday.

Much speculation is that it will be significant if she fails to produce this on time, as she will have capitulated to the Brexiteers. And this will lead to the EU just giving up on us anyway.

She also announced to the Cabinet today, that preparations for No Deal were to be stepped up significantly.

We still are left wondering who, she is stitching up; the Brexiteers whose heads are currently exploding or the friends she keeps closest to her (friends? or ideological enemies).

The problem is that there just no other viable way forward at the moment, as the country is divided, both Labour and the Conservatives are divided and are more interested in their own future than that of the party and there are far too many ambitious 'celebrity MPs' who want to make their mark. No one gives a shit about ordinary workers or business. Plus there is the divine observation that DGRossetti made at the end of the last thread: The biggest obstacle to Brexit has been Brexiteers

The grab for post-Brexit power shows the whole of Westminister up as the cess pit of self interest it is, with Boris Johnson merely its biggest figure head.

Wait until the GFA officially has its head put on the chopping block awaiting its fate. Perhaps we can flog NI to Donald and get a Brexit Dividend afterall.

I must admit to finding it hard to have a view that is altogether different to this:
James Patrick @J_amesp
There is no way back from all of this. The next seven days simply decide how badly - on a scale of fucked to smouldering crater - it is going to end.

One final predictation, which I am DAMN certain of: Thursday, Friday, Saturday and Sunday are all going to be grim for political watching if you are into democratic values and principles. It will be a 4 day sales pitch for Brand Trump in all its All American Overblown Horror that Brits tend to find utterly distasteful. Expect the red carpet of full of turd glitter to be rolled out for Donald Trump Show. Expect May to embarass herself in her fawning all over him, as if she's star struck. Expect that hideously cringeworthy photo thats totally inevitable.

Politics is going to get worse. It may never get better.

(But yay football gets to cover it all up... Come on England!)

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20nil · 15/07/2018 00:03

God, it really is like the 90s. Tory implosion.

Peregrina · 15/07/2018 00:08

I notice that he didn't apologise to the women that he had harassed.

RedToothBrush · 15/07/2018 00:15

www.thesun.co.uk/news/6781243/tory-chiefs-hatch-daring-plan-to-keep-may-in-power/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
Tory chiefs hatch daring plan to keep May in power
Tory hacks believe the shaky PM would win hands down in a leadership showdown with Brexiteer rebels

Under party rules, letters from 48 MPs are needed to spark a confidence vote.

If she loses that, a leadership contest is triggered.

But if she survives the confidence vote another cannot be called for a year.

A source said: “It’s an ingenious idea. We gently encourage the troublemakers to put their letters in and cause a vote.

With crucial Brexit talks only weeks away they would never get the 150-plus votes needed to force a leadership contest. That would strengthen her position and make her untouchable at least until next July.”

Nadine Dorries @ NadineDorries (now)
This plan was hatched before the list of MPs who would lose their seats, based on tonight’s poll rating was produced.

Euro Guido @ euroguido (4 hrs ago before the second poll tonight with Labour ahead)
That rustling sound you hear is the sound of Tory MPs in marginal seats writing letters...

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mathanxiety · 15/07/2018 02:02

One of the many reasons for what has happened (and is happening) is the 40 character soundbite contributing to the dilution of knowledge and insight.

I don't know which came first, the chicken or the egg, but in that vein, I have noticed for a long time now that articles on the BBC website on Brexit come interlaced with features entitled, for example: "Brexit: what you need to know", that leave me shaking my head sadly.

lonelyplanetmum · 15/07/2018 06:07

This Right Honourable member, Andrew Griffiths. Do you know he was not just a junior cabinet minister ? He was seen as a Tory 'A' lister. A rising star. He is the pick of the crop to govern us all . Joy. He was also a Remainer, embarrassingly.

My understanding is he is only resigning his cabinet post. He is not stepping down as an MP.

It's so lewd and shabby. His poor bloody wife. I imagine if it was my oldest daughter married to that specimen.

What disgusts me most of all for some reason, even more than the violence is all the "Daddy " terminology business. He only became a Father for the very first time 12 weeks ago. In those hard work days. He should have been exhausted with learning how to become a good father and co parenting.

Although actually that child is better off with someone possessing his values being at a distance. And so are the constituents of Burton.

Having stood in Dudley North in 2001 he was selected in November 2006 for Burton (Staffordshire). It was a key target seat previously held by Labour MP Janet Dean who stood down.

He only needed a swing of 2.4% to gain the seat after minor boundary changes.
He was selected for that prime target seat on a priority list of only 27 candidates. The list had 13 men.

So he was seen by the Tories as being in the top 13 of human beings they had to offer.

Where are the Jo Cox's? Which rising star MPs of any party can we have faith in? Those with integrity, honesty and fairness.

conservativehome.blogs.com/goldlist/2009/04/where-are-the-original-alisters-now-the-27-who-have-been-selected-for-target-seats.html

lonelyplanetmum · 15/07/2018 06:17

I meant he was on a priority list of only 13 male candidates put in prime position in 13 marginals across the whole country. So he was selected as one of the top 13 men the Tories really wanted in power, and they thought he could win a key marginal.

... and he did.

The Tories weren't to know I suppose. His poor poor wife, she has a newborn to care for and then this.

I expect he'll come out with all that relationships board stuff about how his wife was focussed on the baby and wasn't there for him. Apologies to the male Westminsterenders. I'm not tarring all men with the same brush, just the current member for Burton.

BigChocFrenzy · 15/07/2018 06:29

During the most serious peace-time the UK has faced, what is the BBC doing ...

Cutting Westminster coverage;
must prioritise soaps, game shows, sport etc for bread & circuses, keep the public oblivious & happy

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/bbc-ditches-sunday-politics-amid-westminster-cost-cutting-d0z0ggrzb?

The BBC is axing Sunday Politics and Daily Politics in their current forms as it cuts back on Westminster coverage to save money.*

lonelyplanetmum · 15/07/2018 06:51

The BBC* is axing Sunday Politics and Daily Politics in their current forms as it cuts back on Westminster coverage to save money.*

Angry why now?

It is really scary. Reliable news has been eroded everywhere. Real news when it is reported,is easily dismissed as fake news. Trade and industry specialists dismissed as the reviled experts.

BigChocFrenzy · 15/07/2018 07:04

Illustrating again why Tory PMs pander to their Kipper wing: they are currently the swing vote
Even with UKIP in total shambles, continually swapping one dreadful leader for another.

Britain Electss@britainelects*
Westminster voting intention:

LAB: 40% (-)
CON: 36% (-6)
UKIP: 8% (+5)

lonelyplanetmum · 15/07/2018 07:18

The Little Britain Kip. Continually swapping one grotesque lying leader for another. The xenophobic 'party' yet still they carry a tiny swing vote, so the whole country panders to it.

If only the green vote could grow. If that carried the swing, could we have some pandering to that instead?

Theresa May will be interviewed live on the Marr Show at 09:00 on BBC One. I don't know if I can watch. I just can't bear that 'Brexit dividend', ' taking back control' , 'vast' sums crap.
It's aka 0.7% of GDP Treeza. (One sixth of what a Trump wants us to spend on defence).

Stop teasing us with that rhetoric rubbish. Call a spade a spade for once Tereza.

lonelyplanetmum · 15/07/2018 07:26

Meanwhile we'll always have Paris, for Paris is a moveable feast ( or rather London is).

“Paris is always a good idea.” – Audrey Hepburn

London is a riddle. Paris is an explanation.” – G. K. Chesterson

From last week.. Paris Europlace says 3,500 positions already moved from London to Paris. Up to 30,000 roles predicted to follow according to the chairman of Paris Europlace on Bloomberg TV iinterview on Wednesday.

www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-07-11/paris-predicts-gain-of-10-000-jobs-from-london-post-brexit

HesterThrale · 15/07/2018 07:50

I think I read somewhere that the BBC is revamping The Daily Politics to appeal to a younger audience. But they are keeping Andrew Neil on it.

How does that make sense?

borntobequiet · 15/07/2018 08:47

It really doesn’t. Ugh is the reaction I would expect from young people faced with his general grotesquerie. (Must be a real word as spellcheck didn’t pick it up.)

RedToothBrush · 15/07/2018 08:48

Peter Thompson @ pgthompson
The thread contains a full list of the FIFTY @Conservatives MPs who would lose their seats to Labour if tonight's Opinium poll was reflected in a General Election. The #ChequersPlan must be dropped and #Brexit delivered.

Westministenders: May's Turd Way covered in Donald's Glittery Tickertape from his Parade
Westministenders: May's Turd Way covered in Donald's Glittery Tickertape from his Parade
Westministenders: May's Turd Way covered in Donald's Glittery Tickertape from his Parade
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RedToothBrush · 15/07/2018 08:50

And the last lot on the list.

He later said that another poll last night was worst. There were another twelve MPs on top of those on this list who were at risk

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RedToothBrush · 15/07/2018 09:08

David Henig @ davidheniguk
So we have an 'exclusive investigation' into the Department for International Trade in the Sunday Times today... basically interviews with some of the senior figures

It's a slightly odd piece. Once we get over talking about the offices the top people have (which are incidentally in a different building to those of their staff) the first actual product seen as an opportunity is... 'protein' - can't we sell that already? 2/

But apparently no, because we''re going to get a change of mindset in the business community. Apparently it's bizarre, according to Crawford Falconer, that NZ is more engaged with China than the UK. It's also probably untrue, and just a bit insulting 3/

Falconer then says if we lift citrus restrictions from South Africa we can get greater financial services access (possible but a stretch) and then Secretary of State Fox thinks India would be a good start, seemingly oblivious to India's actual wants 4/

We get tech, IP, pharma as you'd expect, but continued mentions of deals with Australia and New Zealand, with no explanation. Is there any problem currently with selling to these countries in these areas? None that's mentioned 5/

Fox says how exciting Belt and Road is and they want UK partners. Good. Any reason we can't do that now? Or perhaps we already are? He then goes on about the deal with the EU that's in the EU's interests, like the last 18 months never happened... 6/

Permanent Secretary Antonia Romeo is excited about self-driving cars, which had to feature. Apparently out of the EU's regulatory zone we'll do better as light touch regulation boosts tech innovation - a debatable contention to say the least 7/

And then the last few paragraphs get interesting - the businesses they meet make the case for remain. The first interview with Fox was a disaster where he couldn't think of a free trade deal he wanted. There's real uncertainty 8/

In summary, what comes over is that 2 years in we still don't know why we want trade deals, how they're going to help our businesses abroad do things they can't currently. That would seem to be an essential 1st step for an independent trade policy 9/ ends

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RedToothBrush · 15/07/2018 09:12

British Democracy is at stake, say David Davis.

He's not wrong. But it would help if he knew basic principles of democracy to start with. Cos the the threat isn't the one he's prattling on about

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prettybird · 15/07/2018 09:16

Sky had it on their news, together with interviews with the knuckle draggers participants who made it explicit that their Brexit vote was all about racism and immigration (and one who said how much she loved Trump Confused)

Although I'll still watch the BBC main "news" to see how badly they report , at other times dh and I are now tending to go to Sky News ShockSad

Tanith · 15/07/2018 09:19

What disgusts me most of all for some reason, even more than the violence is all the "Daddy " terminology business.

Reminiscent of Francis Urquhart in House of Cards - and look what happened to poor Mattie!

54321go · 15/07/2018 09:21

The lack of reporting will be a deliberate policy by the Government.
Keep people 'entertained' with stories about fluffy bunnies but don't mention the car crash that is Brexit.
Speaking of taking politics to a younger level with the way things are going I reckon Teletubbies is almost the right level.

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ConstantlyCold · 15/07/2018 09:44

I’m so depressed today. A piece about the Brexit White paper popped up on my Facebook feed.
There was a huge volume of “this is not what I voted for” “we need to just leave, how difficult is that”

If we got a vote I honestly think people would vote leave again.

RedToothBrush · 15/07/2018 09:50

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Britain must be able to control all regulations after Brexit

It is dangerous to leave the EU but remain subject to its rules in which we have not have a say
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Tying ourselves to EU regulations in goods without any say would mean that any new innovative UK company using artificial intelligence or biotechnology to develop life-changing products could find itself facing regulation that makes it uncompetitive to the rest of the world.^

Insert ethics here.

Of course, where a sector prefers EU regulations, it can and should use them.

Ermm.....

Raphael Hogarth @ Raphael_Hogarth
This is such a surreal piece from DD. He nakedly says that UK should be able to diverge from EU rules in order to gain a competitive advantage over EU rivals. Absolutely no clue as to why he thinks the EU27 would ever agree to this. They wouldn't.

The self centered naval gazing sense of importance in Fox and Davis which is incapable of seeing things from anyone else's position is quite staggering. I guess it goes hand in hand with an inability to empathise with other people.

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