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Westminstenders: From Russia with Love

996 replies

RedToothBrush · 13/03/2018 21:11

Things just got scary.

The colony of US puppet state or a vassel state of the EU?

Why not just let market forces take their course and let Russia buy the UK?

How did we get to stories of spies and mafia who buy politicians?

Just who are our enemies and allies?

Won't someone think of the effect on house prices in Salisbury?

Try not to don your foil hat, brace yourself and resist shouting 'money laundering too loud'.

More turbulence ahead.

Brexit still seems like such a cracking idea doesn't it?

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OliviaD68 · 19/03/2018 10:48

@BigChocFrenzy

All makes sense and a reflection of being a third country. Checks for taxes, origin and regulatory compliance are needed. Period.

Shall we expect howls of the EU being mean and vindictive?

Sostenueto · 19/03/2018 11:00

And on that positive note.......

OliviaD68 · 19/03/2018 11:15

@Sostenueto

I'm not sure it's a question of positive or negative. These are just facts.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 19/03/2018 11:22

Lucy Fisher
‏*@LOS*_Fisher
NEW: Electoral Commission launches whole swathe of investigations into election spending.

Tories, Labour, Lib Dems, Greens, Women's Equality Party, Best for Britain and NUT all facing probes.

Full details:

twitter.com/LOS_Fisher/status/975690393777070080

frumpety · 19/03/2018 11:28

Schools across UK evacuated due to hoax bomb threat emails ?

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 19/03/2018 11:32

This is what I saw but couldn't find any more information.

Metropolitan Police
@metpoliceuk
Police are investigating reports of communications made to a number of schools across London today, Monday, 19 March.
There have been no arrests. Enquiries are ongoing.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 19/03/2018 11:33

It's so vague as to be useless but still panic-inducing

BigChocFrenzy · 19/03/2018 11:58

sos Those facts are from a veteran Leaver who has been researching and campaigning to Leave for about 20 years
Not a Remainer
He's horrified about what will happen, but still wants to Leave.
He's realistic, not negative

BigChocFrenzy · 19/03/2018 12:01

He's also been warning about empty food shelves in the shops and log-jammed UK ports, if there is no EEA/ EFTA type deal.
A natural consequence of WTO rules, not bullying.

OliviaD68 · 19/03/2018 12:05

A natural consequence of WTO rules, not bullying.

A natural consequence of an FTA as well. FTAs just serve to enhance WTO rules / processes somewhat.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 19/03/2018 12:31

Jack Maidment
@jrmaidment
NEW: Michel Barnier says the UK and EU "have reached an agreement on the transition period" and it will be of "limited duration".
Will preserve all of the benefits of single market and will require full compliance with EU rules, he says.

woman11017 · 19/03/2018 12:33

Do we still have FOM during transition?
< feeling claustrophobic........>

Motheroffourdragons · 19/03/2018 12:38

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woman11017 · 19/03/2018 12:44

Hope this is good news for you and us then mother

@IanDunt
Anyone EU citizen cooking to UK during transition gets full rights. So May capitulated on free movement in transition, as expected.

Sounds like they've kicked the can of the Irish border down the road.
In 2 years, will anyone remember the poll held many summers ago/

JanettheNotebookJunkie · 19/03/2018 12:50

So ... once we enter the transition period, does that mean we can't A50? please say no

Motheroffourdragons · 19/03/2018 12:55

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TomRavenscroft · 19/03/2018 13:16

Sounds like they've kicked the can of the Irish border down the road.

Absolutely. They'll have to face it eventually, though, one way or another. That's if the whole thing doesn't fall apart before then; I wonder if the 'minority report' gang from a few days ago are still causing ructions/planning more?

Also, is it just me or does a transition period introduce more uncertainty rather than less? If I were a business wondering where to plant my flag I'd be inclined to play it safe and assume that Brexit Britain would be a more difficult environment, and hie me to France or Amsterdam or somewhere to avoid having to deal with it.

lonelyplanetmum · 19/03/2018 13:17

I was wrong DD rather than the PM appears to have been present at a moment of significance.

So it's:

Free movement until December 2020?

EU regulatory alignment until December 2020.

From March 2019 we then have 22 months to sign some Trade deals?

If the border isn't sorted by when ? then NI (but only NI) stays in the customs union? [ impossible ]

Meanwhile...

http://costofbrexit.bitballoon.com/

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 19/03/2018 13:30

An update from Nazanin's family

19 MAR 2018 — There is lots to catch up on. A situation that had been allowed to languish suddenly became a scorching.

In September Nazanin was told her application for early release was being approved. Instead she had a second court case, with new charges invented. Nazanin was dragged in front of Judge Salavati in his anger.

Loose comments from the Foreign Secretary were taken as justification by Iranian authorities that Nazanin was not on holiday after all. The shock gave Nazanin a PTSD attack. Many followed.

Nazanin got to watch herself as an object of abuse on state TV news. She watched in shock as her charity payslips and photos of university were presented as evidence she was an important spy. She had to be carried to the clinic by her cellmates for emergency treatment. The numbness in her legs lasted days.

And a political storm enveloped us in the UK over those comments, as the Foreign Secretary became personally associated with Nazanin’s fate and demands for resignations. We went from being an item on the local news to the front of national politics, the petition passing 1 million and then 1.5 million signatures.

In the spotlight, the Government finally acknowledged that Nazanin was only there on holiday. Despite some Ministerial muddying, there is no doubt. The Foreign Secretary criticised Nazanin’s treatment, and after 600 days, we finally got to meet him.

As the case raged, Nazanin became more important, and somehow so did I – all those cameras clicking away as we walked to see the Foreign Secretary, like we were luminaries for 15 minutes. My views on questions I had no business answering making the front pages.

It felt like the sunspot of a political storm. Now connected to the Foreign Secretary, Nazanin’s story became a flagpole for other politics – the stability of the government, the politics of Brexit – sometimes even their battleground. We got exposed to a new level of trolling from those defending champions and sensing plots, seeing behind the shadow play.

It made for an Icarus activism as we pushed, keep my head about what was and wasn’t our fight, learning to choose my own words carefully – that being on TV doesn’t make you wiser, just louder.

The attention took the Foreign Secretary to Iran. He promised to leave no stone unturned.

Following his visit Nazanin’s second court case was cancelled, her conditions improved – with daily phone calls, a health assessment to consider her release. In the elation Nazanin made Gabriella a “freedom dress” with the wool left by cellmates previously released, who didn’t take it off for a week.

Just before Christmas the computer was changed. Nazanin’s case was marked on the Judiciary computer system as “eligible for parole”. The computer said yes. The Embassy told us they had heard she was going to be released on December 29th.

The waiting was tough, guessing at the tealeaves. We felt so close in our Christmas countdown, advent calendar ready. Gradually we stopped talking to Gabriella about precisely when Father Christmas would come.

On Christmas Day we were flat, feeling the gap at the table. In Evin Nazanin defiantly cooked Christmas pudding, hoping for a delayed present. For her Christmas reading to the others, she chose 1 Corinthians 13.

But we were eclipsed by events: There was a backlash to the promise of release as the second court was again threatened. In the fiery rhetoric of Friday Prayers, an Ayatollah described Nazanin as a “dirty spy”, the Foreign Secretary a “liar and clown.” There were other demonstrations across Iran – which brought many to the prison gates looking for their relatives, fearing unexplained deaths in detention. Inside there was a snapback of old patterns – phone calls restricted, medical visits cancelled, and a new numbness in the legs.

Lots of ups and downs. But no Christmas release. Life is not a film script.

Part of coping is not keeping the disappointment displaced. For me, this had meant not fully envisaging the day of release, focusing on the practicalities. For Nazanin, it was the opposite – she imagined the moment of airport greetings, but even on the 28th avoided packing her clothes.

But the problem with target dates is when you miss them. After all those interviews of hopeful waiting, I needed some quietness before I was ready to acknowledge it was still meals for one. For Nazanin, in this silence, failed promises soon become empty ones, a feeling she will never leave.

There is only so long you can stay in the waiting room of life. The Iranian authorities are much practised at psychological games, keeping you hanging on uncertainty. Nazanin’s panic attacks and anxiety of walls closing in are the product. It is not my role to enable this.

With the lengthening days it became clear the Foreign Secretary’s mission had not succeeded. We are waiting on a government stand off. We have needed to go again – to remind him of stones to unturn. There remains a promise to keep.

But before we make many new requests, there is one important thing to say – a belated thank you – to everyone who put Nazanin in their hearts. Thank for all your messages, for willing the world to be a different place.

Gabriella may not know much English – in fact the picture shows her full range. But she knows all that needs to be said.

Nazanin tells how when she was in solitary just before she went suicidal, the guards would take it in turns to call their own young children on speaker phone just outside Nazanin’s door, to remind her what she was missing.

The answer to that cruelty in the shadows is kindness and care. It was that care that put me in front of the Foreign Secretary. It is that care that will cause this winter to pass, even though it still lingers in March.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 19/03/2018 13:38

Senior Labour HQ Staff Resign On Eve Of Jennie Formby's Expected Appointment As General Secretary

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/senior-labour-hq-staff-resign-on-eve-of-jennie-formbys-expected-appointment-as-general-secretary-john-stolliday-head-of-compliance-nec-meeting-iain-mcnicol_uk_5aaf9a7ee4b05b221800828f

I don't really know what the implications of this are but this bit stood out, particularly after the NEC election being cancelled

HuffPost revealed in 2017 that some Corbyn supporters planned a “purge” of the party’s highest ranking officials in a bid to restructure its HQ.

If anyone can translate what's happening, I'd be grateful!

thecatfromjapan · 19/03/2018 14:09

I think the short answer, Pain, is that a lot of experienced Labour moderates are leaving executive roles in the Labour Party.

Talkstotrees · 19/03/2018 14:14

Why does the PM keep banging her fist & announcing red lines, only then to rub them out soon after? Eg Irish border, EU migration during transition.

There must be a reason. Other than that she hasn’t got a fucking clue what she’s doing.

Dobby1sAFreeElf · 19/03/2018 14:20

talks this from David Allen Green may help
By creating a media storm and stoking unrealistic expectations, before quietly and sensibly agreeing to do something else, is what Theresa May did as Home Secretary over the deportation of Abu Qatada.

She has form.

My thread from May 2017.
link to thread from May 2017

TomRavenscroft · 19/03/2018 14:24

Talks, because she's constantly trying to keep opposing factions happy. Juggling. Throwing pacifying meat to one pack of wolves, then realising that in turning her back on another she's put herself in danger again.

Swivel-eyed loons want to hear fuck the Irish border, no more migration, no more ECJ etc.

The DUP (who she relies heavily on) obviously have their own agenda.

Moderates/Remainers aren't arsed about these things.

Businesses want reassurance about frictionless trade.

She cannot ever please everyone. Brexit is simply a collection of unsquareable circles. It has been so since the start.

Talkstotrees · 19/03/2018 14:32

Thank you Dobby and Tom. I expect there will be a few angry brexists around today, shouting “let’s just walk away now!” And other such frothing.