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Westministenders: One for the Women

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RedToothBrush · 08/03/2018 10:23

Just remember that women are more likely to be worried about Brexit.

Their women's and workers rights are more at risk from departure from the EU, the ECJ and potentially the EHCR.
They are more likely to be worried as EU citizens in the UK due to taking time to have and raise families.
They are more likely to have been badly affected by austerity and an economic downturn will hit them first.
If they are leavers they are more likely to have changed their minds.
They are less likely to be MPs so have less representation.
They are more likely to be feeling politically unrepresented by any party and unsure of who they will vote for at the next election.
They are more likely to get abuse for expressing a political opinion. Many report having been subjected to sexual harassment from political colleagues.
They are more likely to be the target of abuse on social media.
They are earn less than their political colleagues, they earn less than their media colleagues, they earn less than their business colleagues. They are less likely to be in powerful lobby groups.

Then there's #metoo

And to cap it off women's groups are finding it hard to get their voice heard, and are frequently being labelled as hysterical or bigoted for merely wanting to discuss things and be reassured that their fears are acknowledged. They are frequently dismissed as liars or over sensitive.

This is 2018.

It doesn't feel progressive. It doesn't look equal.

Brexit has more of an impact on women.

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Tanith · 09/03/2018 08:38

Brexit was the worst change they could have possibly picked. They have opted to make themselves and the country poorer - which will inevitably squeeze the welfare state until it suffocates...and handed absolute power to the evil bastards responsible for ideological austerity ...

The thing is, most of them didn’t vote for that at all.

They voted in order to give Cameron and the Austerity politicians a bloody nose and, in the short term, that’s exactly what they did with Cameron scuttling off to his mouldy woodpile and Osborne drop-kicked out of the Cabinet.

Many voted to save the NHS: it wasn’t just the infamous bus, there were Leave leaflets with the NHS logo on.

Gove told them the Queen wanted Brexit.

Most people aren’t really interested in politics. They’re turned off by the squabbling in Parliament. They believe that all politicians are liars out for themselves.
Austerity meant that many had enough to do with just surviving, never mind looking in depth at the arguments.
Thanks to FPTP elections, they never even expected their vote to count.

Sostenueto · 09/03/2018 08:42

Good points tanith.

BigChocFrenzy · 09/03/2018 08:45

On public holidays, I was paying up to £70 per hour for one carer, for my late mum 7-10 years ago
She had 5 daily visits, 15-45 mins, so it mounted up even on ordinary days.
I doubt if the carer got most of that though

BigChocFrenzy · 09/03/2018 08:47

Ordinary days then were £25-30, but I felt / hoped the care was better than the very cheapest service

Sostenueto · 09/03/2018 08:48

No, the carer would have not seen more than £6-7 an hour at tops bigchocfrenzy

BigChocFrenzy · 09/03/2018 08:51

Gove and some in the hard right wing, along with the DUP, have always hated the GFA since it was signed

  • their proposed solution for NI was internment and the Dirty War - assassination and torture by the security services

Other Brexiters just regard the GFA as unimportant - some voters were even unaware it existed, or its terms

BigChocFrenzy · 09/03/2018 08:52

NI tends to be forgotten, until the anger spills over as bombs on London streets

woman11017 · 09/03/2018 08:54

I'm still wondering about who really committed this terrorist act on our country, thinking about red's post yesterday.

22 being treated.

nerve toxin, usually only held in state military stockpiles

And no comment from the person who represents the country internationally.

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/mar/08/russian-spy-attack-inquiry-widens-as-rudd-condemns-brazen-act-sergei-skripal

Funny that.

Sostenueto · 09/03/2018 08:56

Because the caring profesion is not thought of or respected as an actual profession the wages are almost always the bare minimum wage, zero contract hours, no worker rights, no sick pay etc. And in my dds last job because they were never sure how much holiday they got all holiday not taken before April 1 st was lost. My did lost well over £500 this way. So, she didn't take a holiday because they were always short staffed and had to work on days off in fear of not getting offered work if she refused. ( which the agency did do to workers) so no opportunity to take a holiday. So the agency oenaluse them gir not taking a holiday and withhold payment gir holiday which they are entitled to. No good going to a tribunal, it costs money. So. Do much for employees rights. Where exactly are the EU employment rights in these cases? This really is happening and the private sector get away with it over and over again. So much gir zero hour contracts pffft!

Sostenueto · 09/03/2018 08:58

So sorry for typos its because of spasm. But I think you all understood.

woman11017 · 09/03/2018 09:21

Yuge uplift for lib dems in another hard tory area, with collapsing local tory party.

@britainelects
Northchurch (Dacorum) result:

LDEM: 59.2% (+40.4)
CON: 28.2% (-32.1)
LAB: 10.5% (-1.7)
GRN: 2.1% (-6.6)

LDem GAIN from Con.

lonelyplanetmum · 09/03/2018 09:39

Great result in Northchurch. I never thought the day would come when I'm celebrating LibDem victories over Labour but there you go.

No good going to a tribunal, it costs money. So. Do much for employees rights. Where exactly are the EU employment rights in these cases?

A few points Sos. As members of the EU we brought in joint regulations mostly the field of food, agriculture and environment. We also agreed ( with some opt outs unique to the U.K.) to some basic workers’ rights.
However all member states add their on employment rights on top and it is of course entirely up to individual countries to decide on their own courts and tribunal system and enforcement regime.

Rights are only any good if workers can afford to enforce them. The Cameron gov brought in dramatic changes to the free tribunal system which had W sister since the 1970's. They imposed a fee scheme which made tribunal claims so expensive that the rights were impossible to enforce for most people. Claims dropped acutely.The fees were eventually challenged in the courts and found to be illegal , and have now been removed.

Any difficulties in enforcing employment laws are 101% to do with our government and nothing to do with the EU.

lonelyplanetmum · 09/03/2018 09:41

Sorry loads of typos too! 'which had been in force since the 1970's. '

Sostenueto · 09/03/2018 09:45

Well I thought as much really I suppose lonelyplanetmum. Privatisation is going to become the biggest gravy train ever especially in the NHS which is slowly being ripped apart.

Sostenueto · 09/03/2018 09:47

Will Trumps tariffs on steel now bury forever the remnants of the British steel industry or will Trump make us an exception because we are such good buddies?

SusanWalker · 09/03/2018 09:50

Interesting story here on where the tax take comes from

news.sky.com/story/sky-views-osborne-played-right-into-mcdonnells-hands-11281872

If higher earners leave after brexit we will be totally screwed.

SusanWalker · 09/03/2018 09:52

Yes but can we have a waiver on steel tariffs alone? Surely it would be illegal to waive tariffs for us and not the rest of the EU? Sad to think that we should really be using what little influence we have with the US for the benefit of the whole of the EU.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 09/03/2018 09:55

No exemptions for us - just Canada and Mexico so he can try and use for leverage re: NAFTA.

From this: www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-43337951

The British government said it would work with EU partners to consider "the scope for exemptions" while "robustly" supporting UK industries

[...]The director of UK Steel said the tariffs would have a profound and detrimental impact on the UK steel sector.

"Imposing such measures on US allies in the name of national security is difficult to comprehend," Gareth Stace added.

lonelyplanetmum · 09/03/2018 09:56

Steel tariffs

Apparently Canada and Mexico are exempt but only while negotiations continue over the North America Trade Agreement.

Liam Fox is going to Washington next week to discuss the new duties.

So much for the special relationship. This happens, and then we have to go running over after the event, to beg for special treatment. What will we promise in return I wonder.

Interesting Trump's chief economic adviser Gary Cohn resigned over it. Economists what do they know?

lonelyplanetmum · 09/03/2018 09:57

Cross posted sorry!

Sostenueto · 09/03/2018 09:58

We are still in the EU who have threatened to retaliate with tariffs on American imports and we have to do the same don't we? As we are still members......
Yes font know his that will work susan

Sostenueto · 09/03/2018 09:58

Yes don't know how that will work susan that should read.

AgnesSkinner · 09/03/2018 09:59

I think Liam Fox should always be given his full title:

Disgraced former defence secretary Liam Fox

MichaelBendfaster · 09/03/2018 10:00

Thank you, Red.

Unless Brexit is soft, the Irish border will be in the Irish Sea. That effectively means the end of the Union.

But the DUP will not have that. And they are the only thing keeping May's government afloat.

More and more I think the Ireland conundrum will be the thing that scuppers Brexit. There is no way out of it, is there?

BigChocFrenzy · 09/03/2018 10:01

There was no Special Relationship from Trump or the US Congress when it came to tariffs on Bombardier in NI
US giant Boeing lobbied politicians for the tariffs to destroy a small rival UK company

The US backed off pretty sharpish when Airbus (EU) took a 50.01% stake in the disputed Bombardier airframe

  • making it a US v EU dispute, rather than the US v UK & CAN that the US had intended.

Illustrates the danger that a medium-sized country like the Uk faces, if it goes it alone after Brexit

  • but an EEA / EFTA Brexit would keep this protection from the EU and EFTA bloc