Westminstenders: Boom. The Brexit Backlash starts to hit.

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So it turns out that immigration figures that stated students overstayed were wrong. The home office knew this. And sat on it. Since 2015. Under Theresa.

That smells a bit doesn't it?

Imagine it: "Let's do lunch Paul. I'll cover up and give you a nice immigration story for your front page. In return, crown me PM."

Then tonight BOOM. Labour look like they have made a move. Soft very swishy Brexit. Even less brexity than the Beano Brexit that the Tories have been trying to announce on the quiet over the summer whilst Brexiteers are on holiday.

amp.theguardian.com/global/2017/aug/26/labour-calls-for-lengthy-transitional-period-post-brexit
Labour makes dramatic shift on Brexit and single market
Party opens clear divide with Tories, with support for free movement and paying into EU budgets for up to four years

Labour is to announce a dramatic policy shift by backing continued membership of the EU single market beyond March 2019, when Britain leaves the EU, establishing a clear dividing line with the Tories on Brexit for the first time.

In a move that positions it decisively as the party of “soft Brexit”, Labour will support full participation in the single market and customs union during a lengthy “transitional period” that it believes could last between two and four years after the day of departure, it is to announce on Sunday.

This will mean that under a Labour government the UK would continue to abide by the EU’s free movement rules, accept the jurisdiction of the European court of justice on trade and economic issues, and pay into the EU budget for a period of years after Brexit, in the hope of lessening the shock of leaving to the UK economy. In a further move that will delight many pro-EU Labour backers, Jeremy Corbyn’s party will also leave open the option of the UK remaining a member of the customs union and single market for good, beyond the end of the transitional period.

Why would Labour suddenly do this? It's not just because of the youth vote. What about their leave voters?

Faisal Islam on the subject:
2. On Labour Leavers is very very interesting and involves quite the psephological judgement re the election....
...the calculation appears to be that Labour Leave voters had the chance to vote for Theresa May's brand of Brexit, and bar 5 seats, said No
Was that because Lableave voters were already signalled "hard Brexit"? Or many millions such voters much more concerned about other things?

Have Labour been polling their voters on this?

Theresa has also apparently set her sell by date: Friday 30th August 2019.

www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/theresa-sets-date-shell-quit-11061894.amp
Theresa May sets date she'll quit as Prime Minister - giving herself time to see Britain through Brexit

The longer the transition and the squishier it gets, the more the more you wonder.

Mr Barnier will enjoy his coffee and newspapers tomorrow as he prepares for round two of Brexit talks starting next week.

The question on his mind most: Will David Davis remember to bring his notes this time?

Apparently the younger generations who are interested (or not) in Russell Brand shout 'parklife' at the end of each sentence because it sounds a bit like that 1990s monologue dong.

So says my nephew who added that Russell brand is so like 2015 and only very sad and lonely people still think about him.

Those were not his exact words, but I don't want to upset the national trust.

To be fair though, it probably is very current in Russia.

Just wait till they hear of Taylor Swift. It'll blow their minds

What is the point of Liam Fox?

I think this is something people have wondered for years, before the Department of International Trade was created.

If anyone does know, feel free to share with the rest of the world.

I think maybe the National Trust finally found the dysfunctional families "but we took you to stately homes" threads.

No good choices for the UK Govt in Brexit negotiations

< very good detailled analysis of party politics, which cause DD not to interact much with Brussels >

http://fedtrust.co.uk/no-good-choices-for-british-government-in-the-brexit-negotiations/

David Davis has been criticized in some quarters for spending only two hours in Brussels this week negotiating with Michel Barnier before returning hurriedly to London.
This criticism is misplaced.

As Secretary of State for Exiting the European Union, Mr. Davis needs to exercise the closest possible control on all the negotiations relating to Brexit.
Most of these negotiations are currently taking place in London, within the government of which Mr. Davis is a member.

The EU’s negotiators have, as is well known, been able to impose on the negotiations in Brussels a “sequencing” of topics to be discussed.
Similar “sequencing” applies to the London end of the negotiations.

Mr. Davis needs to conclude his Brexit negotiations with his colleagues in London before he can rationally engage in Brexit negotiations with Mr. Barnier.
These negotiations in London show little sign however of coming to any early conclusion.
.....
It is a misconception to imagine that it is simply bureaucratic unpreparedness that is holding back the United Kingdom in its present painful negotiations with Mr. Barnier and his team.

It is rather the nature of the Brexit project itself, which simply presents the British government with a range of symmetrically uncongenial options.

None of these options corresponds to the optimistic basis on which British withdrawal from the European Union was advocated
in the confused and misleading referendum of last year.
....
Now that Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty has been triggered,

the inevitable incapacity of the Conservative Party to fix and pursue a course towards Brexit
has a disturbing consequence unforeseen by the authors of that Article.

As long as it is the present Conservative government that is conducting the Brexit negotiations,
the United Kingdom is condemned to the hardest of hard Brexits,
in a way entirely welcome to the most radical Eurosceptics of the Conservative Party.

A catastrophic and chaotic Brexit,
which can be blamed to an ignorant British public on the supposed intransigence of Mr. Barnier,
is likely to be an altogether more palatable prospect for Messrs Fox, Johnson and Davis than a protracted negotiation which provides as daily object lesson in the self-harming absurdity of Brexit

The Conservative Party will in the last analysis always be immune to pressure from its negotiating partners in Brussels.

It is too busy negotiating with itself to pay excessive heed to Mr. Barnier and his colleagues

The purpose of Liam Fox ?
.....
Atlantic Bridge
TTIP on steroids
Enabling US healthcare companies to make bigger profits from the NHS

As long as it is the present Conservative government that is conducting the Brexit negotiations, the United Kingdom is condemned to the hardest of hard Brexits, in a way entirely welcome to the most radical Eurosceptics of the Conservative Party.

A catastrophic and chaotic Brexit, which can be blamed to an ignorant British public on the supposed intransigence of Mr. Barnier,

This is a depressing thought, but I am not 100% sure that the general public will necessarily go along with it. During the past year, the BBC was promoting UKIP, left right and centre and the tabloids never lost an opportunity to vilify Corbyn. What happened? May called an election because 'she sensed the country was behind her, but the Opposition wasn't', and despite all the propaganda, she squandered her majority. UKIP collapsed, Corbyn and Labour did far better than they were supposed to - catching out the Tabloids and the majority of the Opinion Polls.

Agree Peregrina. Read this interview with Peter Hitchens (I know) today but I think it's quite a good assessment of where we're at.

uk.businessinsider.com/peter-hitchens-interview-jeremy-corbyn-theresa-may-brexit-2017-7

Yes, Peregrina. I wonder how happy the pubic are going to be about the terms of Brexit when DD (finally) unveils our position. I do wonder if Aaron Banks will be able to control the narrative. I'm not so sure about that, either.

Thinking more about Japan, and the cunning plan photocopied trade deal. What would be in such a photocopied trade deal for Japan? Such a deal was designed for the EU, and the Japan-UK aspects designed when the UK was a part of the EU - a large trading bloc. I suspect the UK is going to be less attractive and in a less favourable position post-Brexit. I wonder if that's another reason Japan's hanging back? (Hope someone who knows more about trade deals will explain that to me.)

It's by no means a certainty
However, the Tories probably rate the chances much higher than surviving the Tory civil war and the humiliation that would follow a climbdown from the delusional cake deal they have been promising

cat imo almost all countries and trade blocs will want better terms from the UK than they have with the EU
Especially as the Uk will be desperate for a deal once Brexit has actually happened.

Sorry, have realised my last post had the photocopied trade deal completely inside-out. Supposedly, May was hoping for Japan to give the UK the same deal it's working out with the EU at the moment?

Oh dear. That's not likely, is it? Or is it? I don;t know I didn't study Intrnational relations, or whatever, so I have no idea how likely such a thing might be.

Looking at Theresa May being rebuffed by Japan makes me wonder if the Tories have any insight at all into how businesses make decisions. They are the party of business? They fail to understand that uncertainty means no plans can be made.

Mathanxiety
Can you reciprocate (Mistigri's) request for profession and qualifications?
What do you do then, thatssomecatch?

My experience is that posters who post about brexit is that they are very shy about telling us what their job or educational background is

Would you be willing to share?

uncertainty means no plans can be made

The ability to plan in the face of total certainty is not particularly taxing is it? Can you name a business or industry that has ever enjoyed such luxury?

I prefer not to share very specifically as I have an abusive exH with a good deal of time on his hands. A general description of my occupation is analysis and writing.

If business leaders crave certainty, Junker and Barnier have given it, repeatedly,

Due to their conditions of membership to the Single Market i.e. total freedom of movement of citizens within the UK and the European Court of Justice , it had to be a “Hard Brexit or NO Brexit

Either you plan for somebody somewhere completely capitulating at the feet of Junker and Barnier...Or you plan for a full, clean break.

Sorry to hear that. Thanks for sharing

All very well and mighty fine, but it would be nice to see evidence of planning for the hard Brexit that is in the pipeline.

Instead there is 'magical thinking' on, for example, the Irish border.

Lack of ability to plan because of foreigners = bad
Lack of ability to plan due to lack of direction from government = absolutely fine

Joined up brexiteer thinking = non existent
or maybe just thinking = non existent

Well there are some things you reveal and some things you don't.

HashiAsLarry
Can you reciprocate Mistigri's request for openness with regard to profession and qualifications?
What do you do then, thatssomecatch?

My experience is that posters who post about brexit is that they are very shy about telling us what their job or educational background is

Would you be willing to share your job and educational background?

Imagine using kindness to mitigate suffering; another sensible idea from Germany via MSF.

Sensible too, don't Scandinavian countries use therapy to de -pressurise those who have returned from middle eastern war?

Saves all sorts of lives in the long run.

www.theguardian.com/world/2017/aug/31/germany-turns-refugees-into-mental-health-counsellors-for-their-peers

In honour of our soon to be MH practitioner bigly