Westminstenders: Boom. The Brexit Backlash starts to hit.

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So it turns out that immigration figures that stated students overstayed were wrong. The home office knew this. And sat on it. Since 2015. Under Theresa.

That smells a bit doesn't it?

Imagine it: "Let's do lunch Paul. I'll cover up and give you a nice immigration story for your front page. In return, crown me PM."

Then tonight BOOM. Labour look like they have made a move. Soft very swishy Brexit. Even less brexity than the Beano Brexit that the Tories have been trying to announce on the quiet over the summer whilst Brexiteers are on holiday.

amp.theguardian.com/global/2017/aug/26/labour-calls-for-lengthy-transitional-period-post-brexit
Labour makes dramatic shift on Brexit and single market
Party opens clear divide with Tories, with support for free movement and paying into EU budgets for up to four years

Labour is to announce a dramatic policy shift by backing continued membership of the EU single market beyond March 2019, when Britain leaves the EU, establishing a clear dividing line with the Tories on Brexit for the first time.

In a move that positions it decisively as the party of “soft Brexit”, Labour will support full participation in the single market and customs union during a lengthy “transitional period” that it believes could last between two and four years after the day of departure, it is to announce on Sunday.

This will mean that under a Labour government the UK would continue to abide by the EU’s free movement rules, accept the jurisdiction of the European court of justice on trade and economic issues, and pay into the EU budget for a period of years after Brexit, in the hope of lessening the shock of leaving to the UK economy. In a further move that will delight many pro-EU Labour backers, Jeremy Corbyn’s party will also leave open the option of the UK remaining a member of the customs union and single market for good, beyond the end of the transitional period.

Why would Labour suddenly do this? It's not just because of the youth vote. What about their leave voters?

Faisal Islam on the subject:
2. On Labour Leavers is very very interesting and involves quite the psephological judgement re the election....
...the calculation appears to be that Labour Leave voters had the chance to vote for Theresa May's brand of Brexit, and bar 5 seats, said No
Was that because Lableave voters were already signalled "hard Brexit"? Or many millions such voters much more concerned about other things?

Have Labour been polling their voters on this?

Theresa has also apparently set her sell by date: Friday 30th August 2019.

www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/theresa-sets-date-shell-quit-11061894.amp
Theresa May sets date she'll quit as Prime Minister - giving herself time to see Britain through Brexit

The longer the transition and the squishier it gets, the more the more you wonder.

Mr Barnier will enjoy his coffee and newspapers tomorrow as he prepares for round two of Brexit talks starting next week.

The question on his mind most: Will David Davis remember to bring his notes this time?

I don't think he/she even realises the irony of asking BigChoc why she is still here

sniggers along with Randomly

I don't live in the EU at all, I'm one of those fickle "citizens of nowhere" (and proud of it)

Thats putting words in people's mouths is not the tactic of an intelligent debater. You know perfectly well what I said and didn't say.

FWIW the NHS Trust where I work has lost quarter of a million in funding through international research projects choosing not to come to the UK post Brexit. Money that could have funded a lot of clinical care. The delights of the EU - that money has not been replaced by the UK government.

But presumably you have no friends and relatives with dementia or mental health conditions, so you are all fine.

I think that is showing their true colours only too well. And we have a word for it.

Reportedly, Fox and several other hard right Brexiters also want Mode 4 in their FTAs, part of their post-Brexit "Bonfire of Red Tape", aka workers' rights
Way, way back someone posted something about Fox and the Atlantic Bridge organisation?
www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/feb/02/corporate-dark-money-power-atlantic-lobbyists-brexit
www.theguardian.com/politics/2011/oct/15/liam-fox-atlantic-bridge
He's got such a -dodgy- colourful backstory Liam.

DD always does look a little tired and emotional, it's like sending in Benny Hill when we need a Jimmy Knapp.

Randomly I can only take heart from those of my friends who voted Leave - and who are nothing like that. They never wanted Treeza's Brexit.

Oh, strike through fail.

And we have a word for it and those same old semantic tells. Bingo, anyone?

Bearbehind
I live in the first place immigrants reach when they get to the Uk and I'm not a racist bigot

Well I am not a racist bigot either...but talk about Leaver Bingo...I am just waiting for someone to say "Don't worry, they'll all be dead soon" and I'll shout full house.

The Maastricht Treaty took the idea of the EU (which was supposed to be about trade) to a whole new level - driven by a relatively small group but highly influential people who were hellbent on creating political, social and economic union. By creating the conditions for FOM - you inevitably get a massive net migration from poorer countries to richer ones. Some towns in England have seen their population rise by 15% almost over night. This has not coincided with a 15% increase in school spaces, doctor's appointments or hospital beds,

As I said up thread, I am pro immigration. I am against uncontrolled immigration.

www.ft.com/content/0047b3c2-8b1e-11e7-a352-e46f43c5825d?segmentid=acee4131-99c2-09d3-a635-873e61754ec6
UK hopes dashed for swift Japan trade talks
Theresa May is keen to tout the benefits of a possible deal during Tokyo visit

Theresa May is set for disappointment on her visit to Tokyo this week after Japanese officials signalled they would not rush into free trade talks with Britain.

That's Japan who have just finalised a free trade deal with the EU....

I'm pro arachnids but not any of those giant ones from fantasy novels biographies.

Pro immigration? Yeah, right. That's why you are asking posters where they are from, and if the answer isn't to your liking you're suggesting they should go elsewhere. Like Poland.

Shame on you.

It would be nice to live in a country with competent governance. But there are many reasons why one chooses to live in a particular country. I happen to like the UK a lot, and not just because I was born here. I think Brexit is a huge mistake which will be detrimental to this country in many ways. I have no intention of leaving and every intention of working to reverse or at least mitigate the effects of this entirely stupid decision. Oh, and work towards changing our useless electoral system, which among other things promotes self interest and party interest above the interest of the country and its citizens.

I wouldn't be surprised if May and Davis have booked a nice long cruise in the early new year to make the most of their sudden retirements from political life.

I wonder which countries would welcome them?

Argentina is famously welcoming to former politicians. They might do well there.

Artisanjam

I'm sure you'll find it so much nicer in your home when all those horrid forriners fuck off to their home. Must be horrible for you having to put up with their presence.
Like the rest of us have had to put up with nasties like you in our country for decades when you've had plenty of places to go to that weren't within the eu.

It's also hashi not hashish. The forriners here have a better grasp of reading too it seems.

Weird.

HashiAsLarry
you've had plenty of places to go to that weren't within the eu.
The forriners here have a better grasp of reading too it seems

Seems your reading comes and goes too. I want to live in the UK (outside the EU). I have 1 option. Lots of people here seem to hate the UK but love the EU. They have 27 options. Nobody should be forced to live somewhere they hate.

I am pro immigration (of any race). I am against uncontrolled immigration.

that what do you mean by "where you come from"?

Presumably they have solved all dementia and mental health conditions where you come from?

You really don't get it, do you? Research costs money. When companies and universities set up international projects, they look at countries where their people will be able to work to conduct the projects. Until the referendum, the UK was high on that list. Now it is not. The whammy is double:

1. Research brings money into the NHS. Yep, you read that right: the NHS gets paid to do research by the organisations wanting to do research. This money can be (and is) used to pay for more nurses, more treatments. Not just in mental health and dementia, but in all areas.

2. If the research is into medication, that is regulated by the EU. If the UK is outside the EU, there will need to be separate arrangements for new drugs to reach the UK market. This is already a problem with NHS rationing, but the risk is that manufacturers will now not bother to even try. They will have a choice between one arrangement that will give them access to 27 countries at once, or go to the effort of making an arrangement which will only net them one country. Guess which they will choose first? Oh, the UK might get the new drug eventually - but they will be at the back of the queue.

Just one of the many benefits of Brexit.

Your sneer at the end of your last comment is actually not worthy of any response, but I keep hoping there is a human being in there somewhere.

I'm not misreading anything of yours. How you're speaking to those who've identified as foreign says it all about you. That and the attitude that your wants should ride supreme over anyone else's. oh and the basic lack of understanding at how immigration works.

Uncontrolled immigration doesn't exist here. Never did. Repeating a lie over and over doesn't make it true. Very Trump though. Very nationist.