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If we just cancelled Brexit....

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GraceGrape · 27/06/2017 22:55

...do you think there would really be that much fuss?

I posted on the id card thread that it would be much less hassle if we could just cancel Brexit. It got me wishful thinking that this could actually be possible!

Even the most ardent leavers are starting to downplay its likelihood of success. Key figures like Gisela Stuart have admitted it's all been handled disastrously. The economy is starting to look a bit shit before we've even left. According to the pro- leave camp, we all apparently knew there would be a recession but it would still be "worth it" if you're independently wealthy like Garage, IDS or Bojo maybe.

Anyway, I think it would be typically British if we just harrumphed a bit and said "Well, maybe this wasn't such a good idea after all. The referendum was only advisory y'know."

As a nation, we don't tend to like big changes so I think a lot of people would be secretly relieved. There might be a bit of grumbling, and maybe Farage would leave the country in disgust as an added bonus. We could then sweep it under the carpet and pretend it never happened, as the Brits tend to do with some of the more unsavoury parts of our history anyway. It would also save us the humiliation of seeing David Davis try to do any more negotiating.

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VulvalHeadMistress · 29/06/2017 22:29

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gluteustothemaximus · 29/06/2017 22:38

Surely if brexit was so wonderful, we'd have triggered article 50 straight away and the leave team would have jumped into their brexit plan of action?

Or is it much much much more complicated than that? The sort of extremely complicated question that doesn't deserve a simple yes/no answer?

nauticant · 29/06/2017 22:45

Coincidentally I've just heard a clip on the radio of Cameron making his stupid jibe at Corbyn last year in the Commons about wearing a smart suit and a tie. What an absolute waste of space that man was. Please let his "contributions" to public life be at an end.

HPFA · 30/06/2017 06:08

This is how bad David is:

twitter.com/GuyADJ/status/880388973335597056

Oliversmumsarmy · 30/06/2017 07:12

WhenSheWasBadSheWasHorrid
People were retiring to Spain and the Med years before even the Common Market so I don't think it will make much difference.

WhenSheWasBadSheWasHorrid · 30/06/2017 07:24

People were retiring to Spain and the Med years before even the Common Market so I don't think it will make much difference

Well people were coming to Britain before the even the Common Market. Stopping free movement isn't going to stop immigration.

Brexit is utterly pointless.

HPFA · 30/06/2017 07:42

Brexit is utterly pointless

Yes, a thousand times. After a year we have still not been given any practical benefits of Brexit, just slogans. I mean, government going on about the "deep and special relationship". You mean, like the one we have now.

I'm afraid the only reason many people are clinging to Brexit is because they see it pisses people "like me " off. Some people even admit this openly on social media, they say "Remainers are just worried about being poorer" as if somehow the adverse economic effects can be limited purely to those who voted Remain.

CrossWordSalad · 30/06/2017 07:51

I'm afraid the only reason many people are clinging to Brexit is because they see it pisses people "like me " off.

What an extraordinary view.

Peregrina · 30/06/2017 08:04

People were retiring to Spain and the Med years before even the Common Market so I don't think it will make much difference.

It all became much easier after the EU came into being and for many more people across the social spectrum. After all, the wealthy spent seasons on the Riviera during the 1930s, or could afford to fly round the world, but it was never possible to argue that these were available for all sections of society.

Oliversmumsarmy · 30/06/2017 08:09

I was talking about people retiring not about going to work in Spain.

The discussion was about people wanting to retire to the Med and Spain not people going to work .

I doubt that the people coming to Britain pre the Common Market were coming to retire. I mean we are not exactly the cheapest country around and I doubt they were coming for our wonderful weather.

frumpety · 30/06/2017 08:43

The people who are currently in Europe as retirees must be worried , reciprocal health care may disappear , not sure what the going rate is for full health cover for someone of retirement age , but I don't imagine it will be cheap , especially if your pension is already stretched due to the exchange rate ?

WhenSheWasBadSheWasHorrid · 30/06/2017 08:49

I was talking about people retiring not about going to work in Spain

Yes because Spain is going to love the prospect of an aging population moving to their country. The effects on healthcare are massive.
How much money should the uk provide to Spain to help them manage this aging population? Should the retires pay for the health care they use in Spain? When the money runs out do they need to come back to the UK?

ChestnutsRoastingOnAnOpenFire · 30/06/2017 08:59

I'm pretty sure that both main parties have realised too late that Brexit is a disaster.

Pulling back from it will mean:

They have to admit they were wrong in passing it through a referendum and then the HOP. Most MPs are culpable on both these processes.

They will have to admit that the 'leavers' in their parties lied to us.

They know the whole lot of them will look stupid and be left with egg on their faces.

Hence they plough on...

ShoesHaveSouls · 30/06/2017 09:20

I don't think there was a huge number of people retiring to Spain pre-common market. The mass emigration to Spain started in the 1990s, and is possible because of freedom of movement.

Once we leave the EU, without FOM, Spain will be able to stop Brits retiring there full stop, or make it very difficult by not covering healthcare, starting a permit system and so on.

HPFA · 30/06/2017 09:22

What an extraordinary view.

I was reluctant to come to that conclusion. Sadly, I've seen too much on social media gloating about "socking it to the [supposed] elites" not to think it has some part in it. Look at the writings of Mick Hume if you want to see evidence of this. Plus all the people who react as if it's an insult when anyone suggests that they should look at the developing situation over the next year and consider whether we should re-think our decision in the light of that? Or the person who earlier on this thread who said it was an insult to "working-class people" that it should be suggested they might re-consider in the light of evidence. Are working class people not considered to have brains and reasoning powers?

missmoon · 30/06/2017 09:31

"I'm afraid the only reason many people are clinging to Brexit is because they see it pisses people "like me " off."

There was a poster on these threads a while ago telling me (and others) precisely this. Other posters agreed with them too.

LurkingHusband · 30/06/2017 09:52

Once we leave the EU, without FOM, Spain will be able to stop Brits retiring there full stop, or make it very difficult by not covering healthcare, starting a permit system and so on.

And depending on the UKs "deal" they could easily just send people already settled in Spain back. Certainly if the EU lowers their deal to match the UKs.

Peregrina · 30/06/2017 09:56

And depending on the UKs "deal" they could easily just send people already settled in Spain back.

Particularly if they include a requirement to speak Spanish to an acceptable standard.

LurkingHusband · 30/06/2017 10:25

Particularly if they include a requirement to speak Spanish to an acceptable standard.

Or just reflect the UK citizenship test for Spain ? Knowledge of history and culture too ?

ShoesHaveSouls · 30/06/2017 10:42

There was a Spanish expats for Brexit campaign group as well - madness.

nauticant · 30/06/2017 10:51

They probably assumed that winning would mean Spain would be forced to use English as its official language.

whatwouldrondo · 30/06/2017 10:59

Oliversmumsarmy So if Britain makes it as hard for people from EU countries to come here as it does from non EU countries you really think those EU countries are going to still have their arms open, as in bring me your poor, your old, your unhealthy and we will support them? They did not before the Common market, you had to demonstrate you had the money to support yourself. Many of those living in France Spain and Italy are already struggling to find the money for food on pensions reduced by the fall in the pound, and, in Spain, often sitting in properties worth a fraction of what they paid. If they are not sent back, they will not be able to pay for healthcare. They are very worried because they then return to the UK with nowhere to live and no entitlement to benefits or free healthcare for six months.

Another example of thinking there were sunlit uplands before the Common Market and will be again......

Theworldisfullofidiots · 30/06/2017 11:13

So I'm an 'elite' apparently....
We have a mortgage that we can just about pay so I guess that makes me lucky. We just about struggle through financially....occasionally eating out of the freezer at the end of the month. No idea how I'm going to retire in 20 years time...
Practically everyone I know who voted leave here are in public sector jobs - teachers, retired (mortgage paid off, big pension), working in hedge funds. A few are lower income - those people thought there would be money for the NHS. Elites?! Angry

TheElementsSong · 30/06/2017 11:14

I was talking about people retiring not about going to work in Spain.

Confused Is there a special "you can migrate anywhere in the world as long as it's to retire" immigration status in other countries? Perhaps there is a special "you can migrate anywhere in the world as long as it's to retire and you're British" immigration status in other countries? Confused

LurkingHusband · 30/06/2017 11:26

I was talking about people retiring not about going to work in Spain.

Retiring is a much higher bar than working so needs a lot more dosh behind it.

www.emigrationexpert.co.uk/EmigratingAustraliaCategory.html

gives you an idea.

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